Where should Richard III be buried?

[Caliga]

I don't think sea snails share mitochondrial DNA with the Chinese.

[Admiral Yi]

How ironic it had to end with decapetation.

Actually it ended when the Capetian line failed and the Bourbons took over.

Sorry. 

[Razgovory]

In the case of the Australian aborigines, my point was the moment Europeans started living on Australia their genes would have spread through those populations rapidly, even to aborigines who did not directly interact with Europeans. I wasn't saying prior to European exploration/colonization of Australia, that aborigines had outside contact. I don't know if they did or don't, I don't know much about that part of the world's history. I do know that in the few hundred years since contact more than enough generations have passed for the aborigines to share a common ancestor with everyone else, dating back no further than 5-15,000 years.

Ah, I see what you are getting at.  Still it's impossible to prove considering there are still "uncontacted" peoples in the world, and I don't know if every aborigine has a European ancestor.

[DGuller]

How ironic it had to end with decapetation.

Actually it ended when the Capetian line failed and the Bourbons took over.

Sorry. 

Damn it, those bastards ruined a perfectly bad pun. 

[Caliga]

Even in Britain it is reckoned that 80% of the population has some royal ancestry (legitimate or otherwise) and that only after a few hundred years.

I'm potentially descended from the Plantagenets (via a line of bastardy) myself.

I've never actually had time to verify all of the links in the ancestral chain, but I'm 90% sure I'm descended via my mother's mother from the family Scott of Scott's Hall.
That family connects to the Plantagenet dynasty via Sir Edmund Scott (my 10th great grandfather, who was also a direct descendant of John Balliol)'s mother Margaret Pigot, whose 6th great grandfather was William de Burgh, Earl of Ulster, who claimed his grandmother was Joan of Acre, daughter of Edward Longshanks.  I think the de Burgh connection to the Plantagenets is disputed, and I'm not 100% sure my Scott line is connected to Sir Edmund Scott.  I know for certain I'm directly descended from Benjamin Scott, who was one of the Quaker Commissioners that founded West New Jersey.

Of course, all of this assumes that none of the related chicks got pregnant out of wedlock and had someone's kid other than their husband's.... and someplace in there between me and Longshanks there is a bastard descent but I don't recall exactly where, and the chain is so long it would take me a while to go back and figure it out.

Anyway, I have no reason to think my genealogy is particularly remarkable and from doing collaborative genealogy research I know there are *tons* of people out there in the US who are descended from Benjamin Scott and therefore potentially from the Plantagenets as well.

[Caliga]

Another anecdote: on my Pennsylvania Dutch side, I had a great-great-great-great-great grandfather named Peter Sheibley (1742-1823) who was a Swiss immigrant to Pennsylvania, fought in the Revolution, etc.  He had two wives, twenty children, and 89 grandchildren.  Today he has at least 1,000 living direct descendants.

[garbon]

Anyway, I have no reason to think my genealogy is particularly remarkable and from doing collaborative genealogy research I know there are *tons* of people out there in the US who are descended from Benjamin Scott and therefore potentially from the Plantagenets as well.

I don't think it is remarkable but I just told you a long-winded story about it?

[Caliga]

I was trying to back up his point about a huge proportion of English folks being partly of noble descent with an anecdote of my own.

[Ed Anger]

I'm descended from Thusla Doom.

[jimmy olsen]

As to the Australians I think you are looking at it backwards.  The way you phrased it, people disagreeing with you would have to prove a negative.  There is very little evidence that native Australians had much contact with anyone before the Europeans showed up.  There may have been some trade in the north, and with Maori but evidence is fairly weak.  Considering that the Australians lived in myrad bands and were probably the most primitive society on Earth at the time when they met Europeans indicates that what ever contact that some bands had with outsiders was minimal.

Dingos arrived within the last 10,000 years, so someone brought them with them.

Also, there may have been gene flow from India 4,320 years ago.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/01/the-voyage-of-krishna-crusoe/#.URBpJVLcCF8

[PDH]

How ironic it had to end with decapetation.

Actually it ended when the Capetian line failed and the Bourbons took over.

Sorry. 

But the Bourbons were Capetian...just like how the House of Valois (also Capetians) took over in the 14th Century.

[Sophie Scholl]

York. A full Anglican-Catholic state funeral in the North would be amazing.

This.  York was Richard's powerbase due to his years serving in the north under his brother and living in Middleham Castle as a youth.  I believe he also planned to be buried there. 

"'King Richard, late mercifully reigning over us, was through great treason . . . piteously slain and murdered, to the great heaviness of this city,' reported the mayor's serjeant of the mace a day after Richard's death at the Battle of Bosworth on August 22, 1485."

[crazy canuck]

Dingos arrived within the last 10,000 years, so someone brought them with them.

Dingos were not domesticated.  Why do you think they started out as domesticated animals?

[jimmy olsen]

Dingos arrived within the last 10,000 years, so someone brought them with them.

Dingos were not domesticated.  Why do you think they started out as domesticated animals?

How could a large placental land mammal possibly get past the Wallace line without humans transporting them.

All evidence points to them being a descendent of the domestic dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo#Distribution_in_the_past

[OttoVonBismarck]

In the case of the Australian aborigines, my point was the moment Europeans started living on Australia their genes would have spread through those populations rapidly, even to aborigines who did not directly interact with Europeans. I wasn't saying prior to European exploration/colonization of Australia, that aborigines had outside contact. I don't know if they did or don't, I don't know much about that part of the world's history. I do know that in the few hundred years since contact more than enough generations have passed for the aborigines to share a common ancestor with everyone else, dating back no further than 5-15,000 years.

Ah, I see what you are getting at.  Still it's impossible to prove considering there are still "uncontacted" peoples in the world, and I don't know if every aborigine has a European ancestor.

They don't have to all have an European ancestor, remember the range for latest common ancestor is 15,000 to 5,000, there are room for all kinds of scenarios, like every European having a central Asian ancestor that is common to every aborigine and who died 12,000 years ago.