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Started by Caliga, February 04, 2013, 07:44:29 AM

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Where should Richard III be buried?

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Caliga

February 04, 2013, 07:44:29 AM
It doesn't look like we have a thread about this story already, but since most everyone here is a history nerd I'm sure I don't need to post news articles about it. :)
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Viking

#1
February 04, 2013, 08:03:41 AM
Westminster obviously. He may have been Richard of York but his connection to York was by title only. The Yorkists didn't have much land in Yorkshire, just like the Lancastrians didn't have much land in Lancashire.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Razgovory

#2
February 04, 2013, 08:13:17 AM
Westminster.  Down with the Tudor tyrants!
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

lustindarkness

#3
February 04, 2013, 08:13:48 AM
Westminster, in a parking lot.
Grand Duke of Lurkdom

Admiral Yi

#4
February 04, 2013, 09:05:21 AM
Clever Jaron variant Cal.  :sleep:

Gups

#5
February 04, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
Other: Dontgiveatosston, Aslongasidonthavetopayforitshire

merithyn

#6
February 04, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
I was reading recently that there's a belief that Richard III didn't kill his nephews. If he didn't, what the hell happened to them? :unsure:
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

katmai

#7
February 04, 2013, 09:15:39 AM
Quote from: Gups on February 04, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
Other: Dontgiveatosston, Aslongasidonthavetopayforitshire

Heard it is wonderful there!
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

jimmy olsen

#8
February 04, 2013, 09:15:48 AM
He belongs in a museum! :alberta:
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Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
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jimmy olsen

#9
February 04, 2013, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
I was reading recently that there's a belief that Richard III didn't kill his nephews. If he didn't, what the hell happened to them? :unsure:
They think Henry did it and then blamed Richard.

This doesn't make sense to me though, because if they were alive, why wouldn't Richard have proved it by showing them off to silence the rumors? The fact that it was believed he'd killed the princes was damaging politically.
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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merithyn

#10
February 04, 2013, 09:23:34 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
I was reading recently that there's a belief that Richard III didn't kill his nephews. If he didn't, what the hell happened to them? :unsure:
They think Henry did it and then blamed Richard.

This doesn't make sense to me though, because if they were alive, why wouldn't Richard have proved it by showing them off to silence the rumors?

Exactly. Which explains my confusion. Apparently, there is some evidence that the two boys were alive when Richard III was killed, and that they were removed from the Tower to protect them from Henry. That seems ridiculously far-fetched.
Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

Neil

#11
February 04, 2013, 09:24:14 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 04, 2013, 08:13:48 AM
Westminster, in a parking lot.
I don't even think they have one.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Viking

#12
February 04, 2013, 09:26:41 AM
Quote from: Gups on February 04, 2013, 09:05:33 AM
Other: Dontgiveatosston, Aslongasidonthavetopayforitshire

Butyouhavetopayforit :contract:
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Darth Wagtaros

#13
February 04, 2013, 09:27:26 AM
I believe Blackadder did the nephew slaying.
PDH!

jimmy olsen

#14
February 04, 2013, 09:30:28 AM
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 09:23:34 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 04, 2013, 09:21:15 AM
Quote from: merithyn on February 04, 2013, 09:14:36 AM
I was reading recently that there's a belief that Richard III didn't kill his nephews. If he didn't, what the hell happened to them? :unsure:
They think Henry did it and then blamed Richard.

This doesn't make sense to me though, because if they were alive, why wouldn't Richard have proved it by showing them off to silence the rumors?

Exactly. Which explains my confusion. Apparently, there is some evidence that the two boys were alive when Richard III was killed, and that they were removed from the Tower to protect them from Henry. That seems ridiculously far-fetched.

Apparently there are a few other suspects, but they're all connected to Richard, at best it was a "troublesome priest" scenario.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes_in_the_Tower#Suspects
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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