Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

[Neil]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

[11B4V]

- ie the guns dont shoot people, people shoot people

You got it right, see that wasnt hard.

Define gun nut.

You.     Not that that's a bad thing, in and of itself;  it's the gun nuts that are nuts elsewhere in life that are the problem.   

However, using the "guns don't kill people" argument as a defense is both fallacious and morally bankrupt.  It's unfortunate that someone as intelligent as yourself subscribes to it.

Lets just say, if guns were to be "outlawed" or "banned" in this country a;

Gun nut=  someone who who will not give up their guns no matter what.

Me= turn in the guns. Not a gun nut.

and I dont subscribe to "guns dont kill people". They do. They are the implements, nothing more.

Extensive. Gun. Control. will not prevent what happened.

Outlaw and aggressive enforcement is the only way. What do "you" want to give up?

Ranged weapon. Much more effective and less expensive chioces out there for what the shooter wanted to do.

That may work for scotland, but the US..... eh. It would take a herculean effort just to collect and enforce at this point. Not to mention the 2nd Amend issue.

True, I think the estimate of POWs in the US is 270 Million. I think it's higher.

Most people I know own more than a few.

Being an LEO, you just cant get to the scene fast enough. Sadly when it starts, people are dying until you do. Those first few responding LEO's today, were their local cops. Can you imagine the absolute helplessness hearing that dispatched over the radio. You are automatically reactive.

You can regulate the guns all you want. They are not the variable in the equation. We are.

I disagree. Guns either 1. Do nothing 2. when used, destroy what's in their trajectory

The gun isnt going to shoot by itself. The gun doesnt decide that.

The person decides to pull the trigger at another human being.

[11B4V]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

[Neil]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

Thus, 'people rarely shoot each other without guns' rather than 'people can't shoot each other without guns'.

You should feel ashamed of yourself.

[sbr]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

  How many accurate crossbow shots do you think you get get off in a crowded confused room in 3 minutes?

EDIT:  I say a gun nut is anyone who can say "guns don't kill people, people do" with a straight face today.

[DGuller]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

That's an idiotic argument.  You can use a lot of weapons, however not all weapons are equally effective in the hands of mass murderer.

[Grey Fox]

Extensive. Gun. Control. will not prevent what happened.

This sentence to me makes no sense at all. If you make it an hassle casual gun owners will not own guns. If less people own guns then there is a better chance that gun culture will go away.

[11B4V]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

That's an idiotic argument.  You can use a lot of weapons, however not all weapons are equally effective in the hands of mass murderer.

Ya think

[11B4V]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

  How many accurate crossbow shots do you think you get get off in a crowded confused room in 3 minutes?

EDIT:  I say a gun nut is anyone who can say "guns don't kill people, people do" with a straight face today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4RKoRyTik 

[sbr]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

  How many accurate crossbow shots do you think you get get off in a crowded confused room in 3 minutes?

EDIT:  I say a gun nut is anyone who can say "guns don't kill people, people do" with a straight face today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4RKoRyTik 

So assuming you own the one of those that exists,  your answer is 12.  That's lessr than 26.

[11B4V]

Extensive. Gun. Control. will not prevent what happened.

This sentence to me makes no sense at all.

Makes perfect sense. What are you going to do about the guns already in circulation?

If you make it an hassle casual gun owners will not own guns.

I disagree.

If less people own guns then there is a better chance that gun culture will go away.

What are are you going to do with the exsisting guns in circulation? est 270 million guns in US. Easier said than done. Also what about enforcement? Underground trading, black market?

[11B4V]

People rarely shoot each other without guns, and they're much easier to regulate than people.

Awesome revelation there.

FYI, you can shoot somebody with a crossbow.

Thus, 'people rarely shoot each other without guns' rather than 'people can't shoot each other without guns'.

You should feel ashamed of yourself.

I dont

[derspiess]

Well I dare not mention Derspicy as fraid he will shoot me.

Hey now, you're the dangerous minority.

[sbr]

Extensive. Gun. Control. will not prevent what happened.

This sentence to me makes no sense at all.

Makes perfect sense. What are you going to do about the guns already in circulation?

If you make it an hassle casual gun owners will not own guns.

I disagree.

If less people own guns then there is a better chance that gun culture will go away.

What are are you going to do with the exsisting guns in circulation? est 270 million guns in US. Easier said than done. Also what about enforcement? Underground trading, black market?

Is that your typical response to difficult problems, just admit defeat and give up?  Or is it that your selfish need to prove your "manhood" by these virtual penis extensions just overrides what matters to anyone else?

Not one person here has advocated for the immediate banning of guns and sending in the SWAT/military to take them.  That is not going to happen; but starting the process of reigning things in slowly is a different story and is something that should be starting.  Many years too late, but better late than never.

[MadImmortalMan]

That this thread is twice as long as the one it spawned from tells you something about human nature right there.