Elementary school shooting gun control pissing contest

[Queequeg]

Yet violent crime rates and gun crime rates continue to decrease.  Nobody gives a shit when gang-bangers splat each other all over the pavement.  So, there you go, giving a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck.

I think the problem of gang violence and mass shootings are quite a bit different.  How many indiscriminate mass shootings a year did they have in 1920s Sicily? 

[CountDeMoney]

Yet violent crime rates and gun crime rates continue to decrease.  Nobody gives a shit when gang-bangers splat each other all over the pavement.  So, there you go, giving a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck.

I think the problem of gang violence and mass shootings are quite a bit different.  How many indiscriminate mass shootings a year did they have in 1920s Sicily?

Ah, so if gangs and all the other daily gun murders simply saved up all their shootings for one day instead of spreading it out over the course of the year, that would make it OK.  Gotcha.

[Queequeg]

If you can't see how your response could at the very least be considered over-the-top and therefore liable to turn reasonable people off to your way of thinking, then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

My reaction was stereotypicaly liberal.  It also wasn't totally irrational.  I don't think there's a good reason for garden variety civilians to own M4s.  I think the fact that this asshat owned one should have set off something on somebody's radar, though I have no way of knowing how tightly regulated the M4 is. 

I also think your reaction to my post was almost entirely unearned.  I'm an excitable poster and I posted an excited post.  Your Centrist screed blaming gun control activists for gun violence and repeatedly calling me all types of 7th Grade names was far, far more over the top than my "what was he doing with an assault rifle, why are those legal" liberal post.

Also, what decade are you living in, Merithyn? The NRA won a decade ago.  Hard blue states are passing concealed carry laws. 

[Queequeg]

Ah, so if gangs and all the other daily gun murders simply saved up all their shootings for one day instead of spreading it out over the course of the year, that would make it OK.  Gotcha.

A smart policy against one wouldn't necessarily work against the other.  Different forms of gun violence exist.   

[Josquius]

Pretty horrible that people are supporting pathetic gun control laws even in light of this incident. At the least it should be a case of saying something should be done then forgetting about it a few days later.

[mongers]

Yet violent crime rates and gun crime rates continue to decrease.

Meh, that's a little debatable, as public agencies have a habit of fucking with statistics for their own purposes.

Nobody gives a shit when gang-bangers splat each other all over the pavement.  So, there you go, giving a fuck when it ain't your turn to give a fuck.

Exactly. Why be shocked over mass shootings when it's happening every day.

People smoke, knowing full well they can get cancer.  Alcohol is legal and people drink, knowing full well they can turn their automobile into a 2 ton weapon.  It's our right to do so, and it's our right to demand relatively unfettered access to firearms.  Incidents like today are simply the price of admission for living in America.
   
So, sorry kids.  Wrong place, wrong time.  It happens.  You just happened to have rolled snake eyes in the American casino of life.  At least you got it out of the way early.

The only real public policy alternative in all this is not to prevent school shootings, but to hope it's not your kids' school.  There are no other viable alternatives left.

That's almost poetic. 

[CountDeMoney]

Couldn't think of something to rhyme with "dead kids".

[The Brain]

And a person isnt going to shoot without one.  You need both a person and a gun for a person to shoot a gun.  The argument that only the person is a variable is a bit absurd.

The problem is not with dirty bombs, the problem is with the people who want to explode them in densely populated places.

Dirty bombs are retarded. That's why so little is done to prevent their use.

[Martinus]

Being an LEO, you just cant get to the scene fast enough. Sadly when it starts, people are dying until you do.

Those first few responding LEO's today, were their local cops. Can you imagine the absolute helplessness hearing that dispatched over the radio. You are automatically reactive.

I think the shooter was a GEMINI. 

[Phillip V]

'If the news coverage is any guide, there has been a change of tone in recent years in the public conversation about guns. The two-word phrase "gun control" is being used considerably less often than it was 10 or 20 years ago. But the phrase "gun rights" is being used more often. And the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is being invoked more frequently in the discussion.'

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/in-public-conversation-on-guns-a-rhetorical-shift/

[11B4V]

Being an LEO, you just cant get to the scene fast enough. Sadly when it starts, people are dying until you do.

Those first few responding LEO's today, were their local cops. Can you imagine the absolute helplessness hearing that dispatched over the radio. You are automatically reactive.

I think the shooter was a GEMINI. 

Aren't you special.

[Martinus]

'If the news coverage is any guide, there has been a change of tone in recent years in the public conversation about guns. The two-word phrase "gun control" is being used considerably less often than it was 10 or 20 years ago. But the phrase "gun rights" is being used more often. And the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is being invoked more frequently in the discussion.'

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/in-public-conversation-on-guns-a-rhetorical-shift/

I'm always perplexed by the Americans' attitude towards guns. I - and most people I know - never owned a gun and never even think of owning a gun, yet it seems such a central piece of many Americans' lives, with a lot of people owning guns. Why is it such a fetish for you guys?

[Phillip V]

Freedom fetish.

[CountDeMoney]

I'm always perplexed by the Americans' attitude towards guns. I - and most people I know - never owned a gun and never even think of owning a gun, yet it seems such a central piece of many Americans' lives, with a lot of people owning guns. Why is it such a fetish for you guys?

We never had the opportunity to adopt the age old European pastime of killing Jews for fun, so we found a different hobby.

[Razgovory]

I'm always perplexed by the Americans' attitude towards guns. I - and most people I know - never owned a gun and never even think of owning a gun, yet it seems such a central piece of many Americans' lives, with a lot of people owning guns. Why is it such a fetish for you guys?

They are toys.  They allow adults to fantasize about being a big hero and stopping criminals/foreigners/the evil government.