Feminism

[CountDeMoney]

Rush makes it a point to remind his listeners that he only uses that term for fringe feminists, and he doesn't have any problem with the "equal pay for equal work"-type feminists.  It's people like you who never listened to him but cherry-pick things out of context from secondary sources to make him out to be more irrational than he really is.

Dittohead.

[merithyn]

The top jobs are by definition outliers, which tend to be men. Boys are more likely than girls to be mentally retarded too. I don't know how much of a factor that is in the CEO world, but it has to be something. Probably not the amount that it is currently skewed.

I bet you will see it even out more in the future though. They are saying that in the younger demographics 20-30ish women are making more than men now.  That will probably translate to more women CEOs later just like how we now have sixty percent or so of college grads being female. Time will do it.

There are thousands of companies with CEOs, and yet less than 4% of them are women. That's not really an outlier, imo.

I don't doubt that in time it will happen. What I question is how long it will take, especially if women can be and often are shamed for continuing to demand equality.

[Neil]

I don't think most people who use the term to describe themselves think it means man-hater, spicy. Some, yes.

Yeah it is generally just a fight for gender equality which doesn't mean tearing men down - just improving things for everyone.

Except for the men who are displaced by the women CEOs.

[merithyn]

Well, I can't see myself actually encouraging her to enter a non-traditional career for a woman.

Why not?

[CountDeMoney]

Well, I can't see myself actually encouraging her to enter a non-traditional career for a woman.  But on the other hand I can't see myself getting in the way if that's what she really wants.

What's a "non-traditional career"?  Are you talking about heavy engine mechanic, or doctor?

Yes.

"Daddy, I want to go to medical school and be a doctor when I grow up."
"Meh."

"Daddy, I want to be an administrative assistant when I grow up."
"That's my girl!"


And you assholes call me the misogynist around here.  Too fucking funny.

[derspiess]

Rush makes it a point to remind his listeners that he only uses that term for fringe feminists, and he doesn't have any problem with the "equal pay for equal work"-type feminists.  It's people like you who never listened to him but cherry-pick things out of context from secondary sources to make him out to be more irrational than he really is.

Dittohead.

Another misunderstood term.  It does not actually mean someone who agrees with Rush all the time.

[garbon]

I don't think most people who use the term to describe themselves think it means man-hater, spicy. Some, yes.

Yeah it is generally just a fight for gender equality which doesn't mean tearing men down - just improving things for everyone.

Except for the men who are displaced by the women CEOs.

They'll just have to be more competitive.

[MadImmortalMan]

There are thousands of companies with CEOs, and yet less than 4% of them are women. That's not really an outlier, imo.

I meant a CEO is an outlier. What percentage of the entire population are CEOs? It's got to be really tiny unless you include every little S-corp laundromat. Fortune 500 CEOs are exactly 500 presumably. In a population of 310 million.

[Barrister]

What's a "non-traditional career"?  Are you talking about heavy engine mechanic, or doctor?

Yes.

Good grief.

If I had a daughter I might caution her about entering heavily male-dominated industries - not because she counted do it, but just because life is tough enough without having to take on even more battles.

But spicey, you surely recognize that medical school and law school now have more women than men, and it's been that way for several years now, don't you?

[derspiess]

Well, I can't see myself actually encouraging her to enter a non-traditional career for a woman.

Why not?

Because I generally believe in the validity of traditional gender roles.  And I'll note for the record that you cut out my part about not getting in her way.

[merithyn]

I think you're wrong.

The income and "top job" disparities have greatly shrunken.  That they continue to exist is due to something you touch on - women taking themselves out of the work force to raise children.  Now I'm coming from a lawyer's perspective, but I've seen how female lawyers have their career damaged (not fatally, but damaged) by taking themselves out of the office for 12 months once or twice.

Statistics bear out that I'm correct while you are not. As for the parenting thing, were things more equal (career-wise and socially), I would guess that fathers would have the ability to take more time off to raise their children. As it is, women are generally paid less, so it makes more sense for them to take the time off than to have the man do so. That would require a huge shift in social customs, however, and I just can't see it happening anytime soon.

That, to me, is the biggest problem. It's unfair to both fathers and mothers, and yet because of social custom, it's rarely addressed in any fashion.

[garbon]

Because I generally believe in the validity of traditional gender roles.

What does that mean? That they should be adhered to? Which ones, like women staying home and raising the kids?

[CountDeMoney]

And I'll note for the record that you cut out my part about not getting in her way.

That's only because you know her personally.

[merithyn]

Good grief.

If I had a daughter I might caution her about entering heavily male-dominated industries - not because she counted do it, but just because life is tough enough without having to take on even more battles.

You realize that this is no better than what derspiess is suggesting, right?

But spicey, you surely recognize that medical school and law school now have more women than men, and it's been that way for several years now, don't you?

Do you think he cares? He strongly believes in the idea that men and women have their places, and ne'er the two shall meet.

[derspiess]

Good grief.

If I had a daughter I might caution her about entering heavily male-dominated industries - not because she counted do it, but just because life is tough enough without having to take on even more battles.

Cool.

But spicey, you surely recognize that medical school and law school now have more women than men, and it's been that way for several years now, don't you?

Yeah.