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Puerto Rico Ballot Initiative

Started by DontSayBanana, November 07, 2012, 12:13:04 AM

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Each state's admission is unique and sui generis.  However, the process is basically that the legally convened government of the territory seeking statehood sets a local process for petitioning statehood, and if the locals want statehood, the local government must have a constitution guaranteeing a republican form of government.  Then, Congress essentially passes a bill making it a state, and the President signs it into law.
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Viking

Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 07, 2012, 12:21:06 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 07, 2012, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 07, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.
It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

And the Phillippines GDP is $4100 per capita.  Plus, you know, they fought a massive insurgency because they didn't want to be a US colony.
And we crushed it. There's no way the Philippine GDP would be that low (and correspondingly their population that high) if it was ruled by the US for a hundred years.


And the act of crushing the insurgency convinced the us that it didn't want to be an imperial power. PR never bothered to revolt or demand independence.
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A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
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I'm not sure it's safe to assume that other latinos give a shit about Puerto Rican statehood. If it became a really contentious debate about dirty hispanics, then maybe
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
I'm not sure it's safe to assume that other latinos give a shit about Puerto Rican statehood. If it became a really contentious debate about dirty hispanics, then maybe

That's true.  I could actually see it having an adverse effect on Cuban-origin population, which already tends to skew right.
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Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
I'm not sure it's safe to assume that other latinos give a shit about Puerto Rican statehood. If it became a really contentious debate about dirty hispanics, then maybe

They will if they think that the reasons the republicans oppose PR statehood because the puerto ricans are latinos.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

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Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
I'm not sure it's safe to assume that other latinos give a shit about Puerto Rican statehood. If it became a really contentious debate about dirty hispanics, then maybe
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Quote from: Viking on November 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
They will if they think that the reasons the republicans oppose PR statehood because the puerto ricans are latinos.

This.  A rejection of PR statehood would be hard to spin as not anti-Latino.
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Quote from: Valmy on November 07, 2012, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
They will if they think that the reasons the republicans oppose PR statehood because the puerto ricans are latinos.

This.  A rejection of PR statehood would be hard to spin as not anti-Latino.

I'll take care of it for them:  "We don't want to fuck the stars on the flag up.  Sorry."  :P

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Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 07, 2012, 05:03:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on November 07, 2012, 01:57:19 PM
Quote from: Viking on November 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
They will if they think that the reasons the republicans oppose PR statehood because the puerto ricans are latinos.

This.  A rejection of PR statehood would be hard to spin as not anti-Latino.

I'll take care of it for them:  "We don't want to fuck the stars on the flag up.  Sorry."  :P

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They'd also have to change the words to "Fifty Nifty United States"  :(
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 07, 2012, 12:16:31 PM
Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 12:00:41 PM
agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.
It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

I agree with Cuba, but that needed to be done soon after the Spanish-American War.

The Phillipines?

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Quote from: Viking on November 07, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
Quote from: Count on November 07, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
I'm not sure it's safe to assume that other latinos give a shit about Puerto Rican statehood. If it became a really contentious debate about dirty hispanics, then maybe

They will if they think that the reasons the republicans oppose PR statehood because the puerto ricans are latinos.

I think it would be hilarious if Congressional Democrats follow Count's lead and oppose Puerto Rican statehood, especially if they just use the same reasons up-front:
QuotePuerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

celedhring

Is there any real reason to deny PR statehood given the current relationship in place?