Puerto Rico Ballot Initiative

[CountDeMoney]

It's funny though, since latinos are a comparatively conservative constituency (big on family values and religion), yet they consistently alienate it.

It's so true;  no minority is more custom-catered to becoming a conservative bulwark than Latinos, with their religious and family value systems.  Dubya saw it, Jeb Bush sees it, so does Rick Perry.

But, when when a substantial number of people in a political party want to kick you out of the country or make sure you serve time for being here, it's sorta hard to get on board.

50,000 Latinos turn 18 in America every month.  That's a lot of votes thrown away.

[garbon]

What do the Ricans have to offer us??

2 reliably democratic senators, 6 reliably democratic congressmen and 8 reliable democratic electoral votes. I expect the republicans to vote against, or at least filibuster.

The Republican party doesn't believe that though.

  You really believe that don't you?  Poor, Poor Tim. At the very least they'll try to put it off as long as possible.  They don't want to see another state join the Union under Obama's watch.  Fucks up their incompetent narrative.  They sure as hell aren't interested in putting themselves further behind in Congress, and lets face it.  Lots of Republicans hate latinos.  Hell, they probably see the Ricans as illegal immigrants.  Also it'll fuck up their "English as the only language" bullshit.

Well I find it odd they'd put it in their party platform and then not be sincere. After all Republic platforms don't generally tend to shy away from what they want even if it doesn't play well.

[Razgovory]

I do not.  There's all sorts of stuff on the party platform.  Something might get added to the party platform in 1972, and still be on there even if Republicans don't believe in it. Take a look at the Republican party platform sometimes, there's all kinds of crazy shit in there.  Gold standard, foreign fertilizer, opposition to "UN taxes", whatever.  I doubt they take half of it seriously.

[lustindarkness]

I wait to see what happens with this.

[Valmy]

This election does not look like a clear majority to me.  But I guess it is up to Puerto Ricans to decide if this is good enough.  On the other hand virtually none of them seem to favor independence and in my view those are the only two options.

[Barrister]

It's funny though, since latinos are a comparatively conservative constituency (big on family values and religion), yet they consistently alienate it.

It's so true;  no minority is more custom-catered to becoming a conservative bulwark than Latinos, with their religious and family value systems.  Dubya saw it, Jeb Bush sees it, so does Rick Perry.

But, when when a substantial number of people in a political party want to kick you out of the country or make sure you serve time for being here, it's sorta hard to get on board.

50,000 Latinos turn 18 in America every month.  That's a lot of votes thrown away.

One of the keys to Harper getting a Conservative majority at last has been a steady courting of the immigrant vote.  We don't have a lot of latinos in Canada, but we have a substantial number of south and east asians.  Values like support for family and the value of hard work play really well in those communities once you drop opposition to immigration as a platform.

[Count]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

[Viking]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

Sounds like Alabama or Mississippi then.

[jimmy olsen]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

[Barrister]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

And the Phillippines GDP is $4100 per capita.  Plus, you know, they fought a massive insurgency because they didn't want to be a US colony.

[Viking]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

Well, they preferred to belong to third world shitholes that can't get them visas to first world countries and routinely risk death or enslavement to get out of those countries.

[jimmy olsen]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

And the Phillippines GDP is $4100 per capita.  Plus, you know, they fought a massive insurgency because they didn't want to be a US colony.

And we crushed it. There's no way the Philippine GDP would be that low (and correspondingly their population that high) if it was ruled by the US for a hundred years.

[Count]

agree with Peter: doesn't make sense to set it up so that you apply for statehood without an actual majority of people wanting statehood.

Also, Puerto Rico probably shouldn't be a state. It's way poorer than the rest of the country and most people don't speak English.

It's GDP PPP is equal to the Czech Republic ($27k), not as bad as you'd think.

Who gives a fuck about the English?

We should have kept Cuba and the Philippines and made them states to.

And the Phillippines GDP is $4100 per capita.  Plus, you know, they fought a massive insurgency because they didn't want to be a US colony.

And we crushed it. There's no way the Philippine GDP would be that low (and correspondingly their population that high) if it was ruled by the US for a hundred years.

[Scipio]

If the GOP blocks Puerto Rican statehood, it will kill the GOP.  That would guarantee no Latino will vote for the Republican Party again.

[DontSayBanana]

I'm just trying to figure out how binding this is.  Does this mean their guy in DC has to introduce a statehood application, or does it mean he can introduce a statehood application?  Does this result in a mandate or an option?