14-year old Pakistani girl activist shot by Taliban

[Razgovory]

Pakistan is a hopeless case then?

I thought that was a given.

[merithyn]

Once she's old enough to fully understand what she's doing, THEN she can go back and fight for her country.

So she doesn't know what she's doing now?

I can't imagine that a 14-year-old child fully understands the implications of what she's doing, no. Would she have done what she did if she knew it might get her parents killed? Could she possibly understand what the political implications might or might be as a result of her own death? That's an awful lot to put on such a young person.

Do I think she's brave as hell and do I believe that she's a hero for all that she's done? Oh yes. Do I think that she knew from the beginning that she could be killed? Yes, I think she did, and I think she took on that risk fully aware that her own life could be forfeit. But I can't imagine that she was capable of understanding the full picture, and all that it implies.

Maybe I'm wrong. I'm willing to accept that possibility. Nonetheless, she's still a child, and as such, she deserves to be cared for as a child, not as a martyr or as a crusader. That can wait.

[Viking]

Point being, there's no reason this teenage girl needs to throw her life away now.

Was she throwing her life away when she first started fighting for girls education?

No, because she didn't have a target on her back then. Now, however, she does, and they've already taken two shots at it. Now, it's time for her to lay low, get healthy, take care of herself and her family, and grow up. Once she's old enough to fully understand what she's doing, THEN she can go back and fight for her country.

She had a target on her then, that's why they shot her. Now she has the possibility of being protected.

You'd trust Pakistani police and security guards, let alone their bosses ?

Haven't Pakistani politicians been murder by members of their own security detail ?
Not a Taliban deep cover agent, but someone who wakes up one morning and just decides it's gods work to kill their protected person later in the week.

No, I'd say that if pakistani liberals all run and get asylum in the west then pakistan will never reform.

[Neil]

I want her to get back to doing what she knew was right before the western media found out about her. Pakistan needs her.

Pakistan can wait until she's a little older, I would think. She's only 14, Viking. She has no business walking around worrying about getting shot, hung, drawn and quartered - or worse, being the reason that it happens to her mother or father.

Your infantilization of a foreign culture is inappropriate.

Our allowing anyone who doesn't want to live in shit to escape to our civilized lands has been devastating to the Third World, and you are a terrible person for trying to hold Asia in the Dark Ages.

[Eddie Teach]

Your infantilization of a foreign culture is inappropriate.

Our allowing anyone who doesn't want to live in shit to escape to our civilized lands has been devastating to the Third World, and you are a terrible person for trying to hold Asia in the Dark Ages.

The people who are able to realize it is shit are more deserving of escaping said shit than the ones making it so.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Once she's old enough to fully understand what she's doing, THEN she can go back and fight for her country.

So she doesn't know what she's doing now?

I can't imagine that a 14-year-old child fully understands the implications of what she's doing, no.

in regions of the world like that you're generally no longer considered to be a child when 14. Especially girls. Plenty enough have had their first child by then.

[merithyn]

in regions of the world like that you're generally no longer considered to be a child when 14. Especially girls. Plenty enough have had their first child by then.

That doesn't change the physiological make-up of human beings. The frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. There is no way that any child, regardless of which cultural they are raised in, can fully comprehend all of the implications of their actions, nor even know how to figure them out.

This girl goes to school with her school friends. She's not a mother, nor is she married. By most accounts, one could guess that she most likely still thinks an awful lot like a child rather than an adult, even if she sounds more grown than not.

[Razgovory]

Stop blaming your frontal lobe Meri.

[Neil]

That doesn't change the physiological make-up of human beings. The frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. There is no way that any child, regardless of which cultural they are raised in, can fully comprehend all of the implications of their actions, nor even know how to figure them out.

Meh.  Adults aren't capable of comprehending all the implications of their actions either.

[Neil]

Your infantilization of a foreign culture is inappropriate.

Our allowing anyone who doesn't want to live in shit to escape to our civilized lands has been devastating to the Third World, and you are a terrible person for trying to hold Asia in the Dark Ages.

The people who are able to realize it is shit are more deserving of escaping said shit than the ones making it so.

Neither are.  They must fight it out in order to civilize their own societies.  Bringing them here doesn't help them, as the failed experiment with bringing Africans to the US should demonstrate.

[CountDeMoney]

That doesn't change the physiological make-up of human beings. The frontal lobe isn't fully developed until the mid-20s. There is no way that any child, regardless of which cultural they are raised in, can fully comprehend all of the implications of their actions, nor even know how to figure them out.

Meh.  Adults aren't capable of comprehending all the implications of their actions either.

Mooselimbs are fully capable of comprehending the implications of their actions.  They know exactly what they're doing.

[Eddie Teach]

Neither are.  They must fight it out in order to civilize their own societies.  Bringing them here doesn't help them, as the failed experiment with bringing Africans to the US should demonstrate.

The Africans were chosen randomly, making this a different experiment.

[Ed Anger]

She is now going to mooch off the British taxpayer and get whore pills now.

[katmai]

She is now going to mooch off the British taxpayer and get whore pills now.

your wife is one needing those pills.

[Ed Anger]

She is now going to mooch off the British taxpayer and get whore pills now.

your wife is one needing those pills.

Not allowed.