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[Neil]

Anyway, the part of Neil's post that resonated more with me was the contrariness thing.  People who adopt a religion or other major lifestyle choice just to be different do irritate me.

They're meant to. Most of them want to force people to think outside the box, and most people don't like being forced into that. The status quo is the prefered, and pushing against that irritates people.

IMO that's fucked up.  Thinking outside the box as a means to an end is fine;  thinking outside the box simply for the sake of thinking outside the box is a pointless as adhering to tradition for the sake of adhering to tradition, just more annoying.

Some people think pointless rebellion against society is a virtue.

[Razgovory]

Innocuous?  I remind you that Himmler was neo-pagan.  In fact the right wing, racist aspect of it was the predominant aspect until WWII.

And Son of Sam was a devout Christian, as are most serial killers. What's your point?

Actually he was a Jew.  He only became a devout Christian after going to jail.  My point,  Himmler's neo-paganism wasn't just some minor thing.  Neo-paganism much like old paganism was heavily political in nature.  The right wing neo-pagans of the 19th and early 20th century adopted it for political reasons.  As a rejection of Christianity which was deemed too weak and unfit for a imperial cultures of Europe at the time.  They wanted something stronger, less forgiving, more European.  A lot of modern neo-pagans are doing the same thing but for opposite reasons.  It's cause Christianity is in their opinion dominant, authoritarian, patriarchal.  The motive is the same.  So, no it's not innocuous.

[Neil]

Innocuous?  I remind you that Himmler was neo-pagan.  In fact the right wing, racist aspect of it was the predominant aspect until WWII.

And Son of Sam was a devout Christian, as are most serial killers. What's your point?

Actually he was a Jew.  He only became a devout Christian after going to jail.  My point,  Himmler's neo-paganism wasn't just some minor thing.  Neo-paganism much like old paganism was heavily political in nature.  The right wing neo-pagans of the 19th and early 20th century adopted it for political reasons.  As a rejection of Christianity which was deemed too weak and unfit for a imperial cultures of Europe at the time.  They wanted something stronger, less forgiving, more European.  A lot of modern neo-pagans are doing the same thing but for opposite reasons.  It's cause Christianity is in their opinion dominant, authoritarian, patriarchal.  The motive is the same.  So, no it's not innocuous.

That was actually rather astute.

[Maximus]

Actually he was a Jew.  He only became a devout Christian after going to jail.  My point,  Himmler's neo-paganism wasn't just some minor thing.  Neo-paganism much like old paganism was heavily political in nature.  The right wing neo-pagans of the 19th and early 20th century adopted it for political reasons.  As a rejection of Christianity which was deemed too weak and unfit for a imperial cultures of Europe at the time.  They wanted something stronger, less forgiving, more European.  A lot of modern neo-pagans are doing the same thing but for opposite reasons.  It's cause Christianity is in their opinion dominant, authoritarian, patriarchal.  The motive is the same.  So, no it's not innocuous.

So your big point is that people adopt paganism because the mainstream religions don't work for them? How very "astute".

[Neil]

His point was that people who adopt religions outside the mainstream are defective.  That's the great point he made.

[garbon]

Anyway, the part of Neil's post that resonated more with me was the contrariness thing.  People who adopt a religion or other major lifestyle choice just to be different do irritate me.

They're meant to. Most of them want to force people to think outside the box, and most people don't like being forced into that. The status quo is the prefered, and pushing against that irritates people.

IMO that's fucked up.  Thinking outside the box as a means to an end is fine;  thinking outside the box simply for the sake of thinking outside the box is a pointless as adhering to tradition for the sake of adhering to tradition, just more annoying.

That's your point of view.

[garbon]

His point was that people who adopt religions outside the mainstream are defective.  That's the great point he made.

He showed that some terrible people at one moment in time adopted paganism. Meanwhile we've had lots more time of Catholic priests using their position to abuse children.

[CountDeMoney]

Meanwhile we've had lots more time of Catholic priests using their position to abuse children.

What's that got to do with religions outside the mainstream?  Scientology and Mormonism have to be around for another 2,000 years before their bullshit is acknowledged?

[garbon]

Meanwhile we've had lots more time of Catholic priests using their position to abuse children.

What's that got to do with religions outside the mainstream?  Scientology and Mormonism have to be around for another 2,000 years before their bullshit is acknowledged?

I thought we already acknowledged the quackery of those two.

[Neil]

His point was that people who adopt religions outside the mainstream are defective.  That's the great point he made.

He showed that some terrible people at one moment in time adopted paganism. Meanwhile we've had lots more time of Catholic priests using their position to abuse children.

Small sacrifices to maintain social order.

Besides, if it wasn't for your faggoty laws and cowardly morals, the molesting priests could simply be burned at the stake for heresy.  You have weakened America.

[garbon]

His point was that people who adopt religions outside the mainstream are defective.  That's the great point he made.

He showed that some terrible people at one moment in time adopted paganism. Meanwhile we've had lots more time of Catholic priests using their position to abuse children.

Small sacrifices to maintain social order.

Besides, if it wasn't for your faggoty laws and cowardly morals, the molesting priests could simply be burned at the stake for heresy.  You have weakened America.

You continue to be confused that acceptance of homosexuality means acceptance of pedophilia.

[Razgovory]

You continue to pretend that homosexuality isn't a paraphilic disorder.

[garbon]

You continue to pretend that homosexuality isn't a paraphilic disorder.

I think all homosexuals would agree that homosexuality isn't a typical condition. Even at the extreme estimate of 10% that's still a small segment in society.

[Neil]

You continue to pretend that homosexuality isn't a paraphilic disorder.

I think all homosexuals would agree that homosexuality isn't a typical condition. Even at the extreme estimate of 10% that's still a small segment in society.

Many mentally ill people want to think that their condition isn't serious.

[Razgovory]

Actually he was a Jew.  He only became a devout Christian after going to jail.  My point,  Himmler's neo-paganism wasn't just some minor thing.  Neo-paganism much like old paganism was heavily political in nature.  The right wing neo-pagans of the 19th and early 20th century adopted it for political reasons.  As a rejection of Christianity which was deemed too weak and unfit for a imperial cultures of Europe at the time.  They wanted something stronger, less forgiving, more European.  A lot of modern neo-pagans are doing the same thing but for opposite reasons.  It's cause Christianity is in their opinion dominant, authoritarian, patriarchal.  The motive is the same.  So, no it's not innocuous.

So your big point is that people adopt paganism because the mainstream religions don't work for them? How very "astute".

What, you can't read or something?  They are constructing religions to bolster their political leanings.