25 years old and deep in debt

[garbon]

Certainly there is some middle ground between kicking a cop in the shin and kissing ass.

Everything bad had already happened to her by the time she kicked him, so only germane if one was defending all of her actions.

Now granted she wouldn't have gotten the charge that she did if she hadn't assaulted him but she still would have eaten pavement.

[Admiral Yi]

Fair enough.  Her first bad move was not producing her ID.  You think to do so when asked would have been all "Yes massah?"

[Razgovory]

Oh certainly. I know how to be all "yes, massah" when confronted by a cop. My point was that I think it is really shitty that we have to be deferential to individuals treating us poorly. There isn't really anyone that I typically deal with that I'd put up with such shit from.

Also the bit in bold probably is a waste of time unless you've a lot of time on your hands / powerful friends. My mother failed mightily in her complaint about my unwarranted traffic stop.

If the threat of violence and force of law makes you act polite toward someone then it can't be all bad.

[garbon]

Fair enough.  Her first bad move was not producing her ID.  You think to do so when asked would have been all "Yes massah?"

In this case, sure she should have as I believe Arizona requires such.

Though on the other hand, I still don't like this idea that you have to be hypervigilant about your actions around police. Can't ever be tired or cranky.

[garbon]

If the threat of violence and force of law makes you act polite toward someone then it can't be all bad.

I've been commended at work for how polite and tactful I am.

[Malthus]

Fwiw, I do think he was kind of a dick, but that's cops for you.

Which is a problem. We're expected to let these individuals treat us like shit; like we'd not let most, if anyone, else in our lives treat us the same.

The issue is how best to prevent a cop from trampling all over your rights. Acting out will simply lead to the cop trampling all over you physically.

I suspect that if a cop is causing you shit, it is best to remain calm, note all the details of how he or she is acting the shit, and complain about it later. That moves the confrontation from a forum where the cop has every advantage - a physical confrontation in the street - to one where you have more of a level playing field - a complaint procedure and/or the media.

Mouthing off, or worse, fighting the cop, will simply never end well for you. Cops are trained in "controlling" (which may include beating up) people who try shit like that, and can call for back-up.

Oh certainly. I know how to be all "yes, massah" when confronted by a cop. My point was that I think it is really shitty that we have to be deferential to individuals treating us poorly. There isn't really anyone that I typically deal with that I'd put up with such shit from.

Also the bit in bold probably is a waste of time unless you've a lot of time on your hands / powerful friends. My mother failed mightily in her complaint about my unwarranted traffic stop.

A complaint may well not work or be a waste of time. But it sure as hell will work better than assaulting a cop. A waste of time is better than being used as a punching-bag. 

In any event, just because you don't see action on every complaint doesn't mean all complaints are pointless.

[garbon]

A complaint may well not work or be a waste of time. But it sure as hell will work better than assaulting a cop. A waste of time is better than being used as a punching-bag. 

Well, of course. But then I don't think that's up for debate.

In any event, just because you don't see action on every complaint doesn't mean all complaints are pointless.

Sure but then I'm jaded about such matters being taken seriously unless it is something particularly egregious. It just isn't worth it.

That said, in a rare moment of my parents agreeing, my father said he was actually glad that my mother lodged a complaint / we* really should get in the habit of speaking up about all of these incidents.

*Yes, by "we" he meant Canadians.

[CountDeMoney]

Even basic discourtesy reports pile up in a personnel jacket, and have a direct impact on performance reviews, promotion boards, assignments and professional opportunities.

But the negative aspect of that is you wind up with a cop with an even shittier attitude.

[Razgovory]

What do you do when they ask a trick question like "Do you know why I stopped you"

Which of these is the best answer?

"Uh, I dropped my wallet and you are returning it maybe?"

"You filthy pig, I'll fucking kill you.  You hear me?  I'll shoot your down in the street like a dog!"

"I don't know, how long were following me?"

"Did you know I went to Stanford?"

[garbon]

What do you do when they ask a trick question like "Do you know why I stopped you"

Which of these is the best answer?

"Uh, I dropped my wallet and you are returning it maybe?"

"You filthy pig, I'll fucking kill you.  You hear me?  I'll shoot your down in the street like a dog!"

"I don't know, how long were following me?"

"Did you know I went to Stanford?"

I said "No." That's when it quickly became I was driving erratically, weaving in and out of lanes...and my eyes told him it looked like I was on drugs.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I would have tased DG, declared him a commie and eliminate him. hail the Computer!

Indeed. You have been given Ultra-Violet clearance.

[Ideologue]

It's the beginning of the end for Thomas Cooley, the worst law school in America, and thus, the world.  Having suffered a decline in enrollment of more than 40% since 2009, they've made moves to close one of their five (ugh) branches and have declared a financial emergency in preparation of laying off faculty.

Yes we can.

[alfred russel]

It's the beginning of the end for Thomas Cooley, the worst law school in America, and thus, the world.  Having suffered a decline in enrollment of more than 40% since 2009, they've made moves to close one of their five (ugh) branches and have declared a financial emergency in preparation of laying off faculty.

Yes we can.

New law schools are opening up. I'm sure those in want of shitty legal educations will still have many venues to receive the services they desire.

[Ideologue]

Not really.  The Lousiana one's been tabled, the one in Tacoma, WA is considered something of a joke and won't make it past the planning stages.  You may be referring to Indiana Tech, and unaccredited school (is it even provisionally accredited yet? will it ever be) that has managed to enroll about 45 people over two years, just fired/was abandoned by its dean, has named one its professors, andre douglas pond cummings [sic] as interim dean, and is obviously preparing to close, hopefully in enough time that its class of 2012 will be able to discharge their foolishly-undertaken debt.

Vermont Law School (emphasis: environmental law!) is also on a death watch, and is generally expected by observers to begin to close, if not close outright, within the next year or two.

[alfred russel]

Not really.  The Lousiana one's been tabled, the one in Tacoma, WA is considered something of a joke and won't make it past the planning stages.  You may be referring to Indiana Tech, and unaccredited school (is it even provisionally accredited yet? will it ever be) that has managed to enroll about 45 people over two years, just fired/was abandoned by its dean, has named one its professors, andre douglas pond cummings [sic] as interim dean, and is obviously preparing to close, hopefully in enough time that its class of 2012 will be able to discharge their foolishly-undertaken debt.

Vermont Law School (emphasis: environmental law!) is also on a death watch, and is generally expected by observers to begin to close, if not close outright, within the next year or two.

My father told me that Florida A&M is about to open a school, and he may have mentioned another school is going to open in the state.