25 years old and deep in debt

[Malthus]

i often heard anecdotes from professors during college of how they once taught private universities, and students would actually come to them during office hours and say, "i received a poor grade on this paper/test/etc. why? i deserve As." i found that odd, but i guess there are those who are really like that

It happens a lot in both public and private universities.  Part of the blame is grade inflation in high schools.   People who are used to getting A grades doing C+ work are often quick to blame the Prof or university for their poor marks rather then considering the more obvious problem.

A funny anecdote from a friend who spent some time teaching at an Ivy League school:

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof:"There is a first time for everything.  Was there anything else?"

It's funny, and of course everyone on Earth younger than 30 (or let's make that 31, I'm sure) is an entitled monster, but did your pal bother explaining the grade, or was his pedagogical response to the person paying him to do his job really as dismissive as a two-sentence bon mot?

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

[crazy canuck]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

I suppose if the law thing doesnt work out you could write bad porn scripts. 

[Malthus]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

I suppose if the law thing doesnt work out you could write bad porn scripts. 

Well, the pay's not as good, but on the other hand, it's a job that earns one the respect of the community.

[crazy canuck]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

I suppose if the law thing doesnt work out you could write bad porn scripts. 

Well, the pay's not as good, but on the other hand, it's a job that earns one the respect of the community.

I suppose you could also demand to retain artistic control and oversee all aspects of the shoot.

[Caliga]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

I know this might shock you Malthus, but that porno script has already been written.

[Ideologue]

Yi: the question is implicit.

Really?  You think an explanation of the C+ would have satisfied sugartits?

It's absolutely irrelevant whether she would have or not.  It's called professionalism.

Well, the pay's not as good, but on the other hand, it's a job that earns one the respect of the community.

On the down side, it's almost as hard to make a stable living with porn as it is with law.  On the plus side, the hours are better, and at the end of the day the industry clearly does more good for humanity than law ever did.

[Malthus]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

I know this might shock you Malthus, but that porno script has already been written.

There go my alternative career plans.

[Jacob]

I was hoping that the story would end on a more entertaining note.

Student: "I got a B.  I have never had a B.  I always get As."

Prof: "Well, there *is* a way you can get an A..." 

Prof: Let me handle your Ds, and we'll see about an A.

[Neil]

It's absolutely irrelevant whether she would have or not.  It's called professionalism.

They're a teacher.  Who cares about professionalism?  They're down there in the trenches with the lowest and least in society.  You're arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

On the down side, it's almost as hard to make a stable living with porn as it is with law.  On the plus side, the hours are better, and at the end of the day the industry clearly does more good for humanity than law ever did.

Other Languish lawyers seem to do alright.  It's possible that the particular legal services that you offer aren't valued by society.  You should offer different ones.

[Admiral Yi]

It's absolutely irrelevant whether she would have or not.  It's called professionalism.

It's his professional responsibility to instruct her in the curriculum and to assess her impartially and fairly.  It is not his professional responsibility to hold her hand, wipe away her widdle tears and tell her that not everything in life turns out you way she hopes it will, and that there will be certain situations in which she's not the best at doing something.  That was her parents job.  When she was six.

[Ideologue]

It's absolutely irrelevant whether she would have or not.  It's called professionalism.

It's his professional responsibility to instruct her in the curriculum and to assess her impartially and fairly.  It is not his professional responsibility to hold her hand, wipe away her widdle tears and tell her that not everything in life turns out you way she hopes it will, and that there will be certain situations in which she's not the best at doing something.  That was her parents job.  When she was six.

It is also his responsibility to provide feedback and clearly explain why she received the grade she did, not give her clever sassback.  Maybe she deserved it; but if only cashiers and waiters had the broad latitude to be assholes that the professoriat has secured for themselves, eh?

[Admiral Yi]

It is also his responsibility to provide feedback and clearly explain why she received the grade she did, not give her clever sassback.  Maybe she deserved it; but if only cashiers and waiters had the broad latitude to be assholes that the professoriat has secured for themselves, eh?

How do you figure?  I got little checks on my test booklets next to correct answers and at best a little a little scribbled generality like "good job" on my papers, along with a grade.

Have you read some professorial code of conduct that states they are professionally compelled to justify grades?  Is it written into the contract matriculating students sign with universities these days?

[Ideologue]

It's absolutely irrelevant whether she would have or not.  It's called professionalism.

They're a teacher.  Who cares about professionalism?  They're down there in the trenches with the lowest and least in society.  You're arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

On the down side, it's almost as hard to make a stable living with porn as it is with law.  On the plus side, the hours are better, and at the end of the day the industry clearly does more good for humanity than law ever did.

Other Languish lawyers seem to do alright.  It's possible that the particular legal services that you offer aren't valued by society.  You should offer different ones.

That's actually yet to be seen.  Like Mohawk, I was the first of the new batch, that is people who got their JD or equivalent degree after Languish started.  Scipio may have, but I think even he had some post-grad work experience prior to the migration (in any event, he has also had his times of trouble).  JR, Lemonjello, and Stonewall are the only other American lawyers, and they're all old and deeply ensconced.  CC, BB, Malthus, and Gupta are Commonwealth/UK, and hence not subject to quite the same market forces (and are also, as a rule, old).  Martinus practices in a country where literacy qualifies you for high office.

As for my contemporaries, of Sheilbh, Ulmont, St. J, Faeelin, Mihali, Kleves (if I'm not missing anyone), and myself, only I have graduated.  I think Jaba has a for-real job lined up.  Mihali should be fine--he's HYS.  But I worry about the others.

Also, I'd like to point out that there are like 50 regular posters here, if that, and, not even counting PL, Stonewall, and Gups, a dozen have or will have law degrees.  Selection bias for Languish on the part of EU2 players and hence aimless liberal artists aside... oversupply, what oversupply?

[Ideologue]

It is also his responsibility to provide feedback and clearly explain why she received the grade she did, not give her clever sassback.  Maybe she deserved it; but if only cashiers and waiters had the broad latitude to be assholes that the professoriat has secured for themselves, eh?

How do you figure?  I got little checks on my test booklets next to correct answers and at best a little a little scribbled generality like "good job" on my papers, along with a grade.

Have you read some professorial code of conduct that states they are professionally compelled to justify grades?  Is it written into the contract matriculating students sign with universities these days?

Feedback is part of teaching.  And no, grades cannot be arbitrary, and must have some basis which is communicated to the student.  Is that too much for our hard-working, underpaid higher educators to do?

[Neil]

If there's an oversupply of lawyers, why not put your lawyering skills aside and do something that doesn't devastate human civilization?