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Started by Martinus, August 21, 2012, 10:00:48 AM

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Viking

#30
August 21, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
So, noone is going to agree with me? Seriously? Since when this forum has gone so neo-con? :D

Disagreeing with you on this doesn't make one a neo-con.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Darth Wagtaros

#31
August 21, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 21, 2012, 01:54:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
So, noone is going to agree with me? Seriously? Since when this forum has gone so neo-con? :D

Your view has nothing to do with economy, it's all because you hate civilization.
PDH!

Maximus

#32
August 21, 2012, 02:06:50 PM
I don't think there's a fundamental right to pass on your wealth to your kids, but people like to do it so why not. Stupid rich kids are far from the biggest problem we have and I am not aware of a substantially better option.

Viking

#33
August 21, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Quote from: Maximus on August 21, 2012, 02:06:50 PM
I don't think there's a fundamental right to pass on your wealth to your kids, but people like to do it so why not. Stupid rich kids are far from the biggest problem we have and I am not aware of a substantially better option.

Well ultimately all rights are about being allowed to pass ones wealth, values and philosophy on to ones children. Paris Hilton is merely an annoying unintended consequence of being allowed to give ones property to those who one cares most about after death.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

garbon

#34
August 21, 2012, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 21, 2012, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 21, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
Your view reflects your communist upbringing.  "These parasites should not inherit the People's wealth! The money should be given to the government and redistributed as needed."

I have well-off parents. They helped me with my life and I'm fine with it. But I now earn my own living and I see no reason why I should get their money whe they die. So really it's hard to say I had a communist upbringing. Quite the opposite.

What do you suggest they do with it?

Agreed. What would they do with it?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Darth Wagtaros

#35
August 21, 2012, 02:22:33 PM
Quote from: garbon on August 21, 2012, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on August 21, 2012, 01:52:53 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on August 21, 2012, 01:20:23 PM
Your view reflects your communist upbringing.  "These parasites should not inherit the People's wealth! The money should be given to the government and redistributed as needed."

I have well-off parents. They helped me with my life and I'm fine with it. But I now earn my own living and I see no reason why I should get their money whe they die. So really it's hard to say I had a communist upbringing. Quite the opposite.

What do you suggest they do with it?

Agreed. What would they do with it?
I'll accept it if they mail it over to me.
PDH!

Habbaku

#36
August 21, 2012, 02:39:47 PM
Polish people : People do things differently than I do, so their activities should be banned.

Martinus : People have fun differently than I think they should, so their activities should be banned.

Yeah, I'd say he fits right in.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
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Razgovory

#37
August 21, 2012, 02:45:48 PM Last Edit: August 21, 2012, 02:49:38 PM by Razgovory
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
So, noone is going to agree with me? Seriously? Since when this forum has gone so neo-con? :D

Do you remember a few weeks ago when we had to break it to you that you weren't the aristocracy.  That's what aristocracy looks like in the modern world.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Maximus

#38
August 21, 2012, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 21, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Well ultimately all rights are about being allowed to pass ones wealth, values and philosophy on to ones children.
Elaborate. I don't think I agree, but if you can back that up I can be convinced.

Valmy

#39
August 21, 2012, 03:36:11 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:21:43 PM
I have well-off parents. They helped me with my life and I'm fine with it. But I now earn my own living and I see no reason why I should get their money whe they die. So really it's hard to say I had a communist upbringing. Quite the opposite.

Because they decide to give it to you when they die.  They do not have to give it to you.  They could donate their entire estate to the Catholic Church if they wanted.  I am sure the Mother Church would pray for their soul if they did.

Ultimately if a rich person decides to give their wealth to their kids (or their spouse or their gardener or whatever) it is probably not because they deserve it it is because they wanted to do that.

But really in most cases in life deserving has nothing to do with anything.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

#40
August 21, 2012, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
So, noone is going to agree with me? Seriously? Since when this forum has gone so neo-con? :D

Neo-Con? :unsure:
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

#41
August 21, 2012, 03:47:38 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2012, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: Martinus on August 21, 2012, 01:52:54 PM
So, noone is going to agree with me? Seriously? Since when this forum has gone so neo-con? :D

Neo-Con? :unsure:

He doesn't know what words mean.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Siege

#42
August 21, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
Am I a neo-con?

Nah, I am a fiscal conservative, not a social conservative.


"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"

Viking

#43
August 21, 2012, 03:56:34 PM
Quote from: Maximus on August 21, 2012, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 21, 2012, 02:10:40 PM
Well ultimately all rights are about being allowed to pass ones wealth, values and philosophy on to ones children.
Elaborate. I don't think I agree, but if you can back that up I can be convinced.

The rights we cherish and identify as the important rights are not valuable in themselves. Freedom of speech only matters because speech has consequences, if speech didn't have consequences it would not matter and nobody would either bother suppressing it or fighting for its freedom.

The idea of rights we have I believe is wrong. Every right we enumerate or list or claim has been fought for historically for specific concrete reasons. Originally I thought that rights were primarily focused on life, conscience and freedom. When reading up properly (not the myth-history we get in school) on the Magna Carta it became clear that the document was fundamentally a means to prevent the King from "stealing" feudal holdings from their "rightful" owners by by legal confiscation. Tyranny win the mind of the Magnates was not killing Barons the King didn't like, Tyranny was disinheriting the killed Baron's children. The right to a trial by jury is not there because the fair trial was in and of itself a virtue, but because the unfair trial was a tool for confiscation and disinheritance.

The first rights that are established are the feudal property rights and the rights which are used to protect those property rights.

The root cause analysis is as follows, free speech is neccessary for a free election, without which our right to vote doesn't matter which is necessary for a free and sovereign parliament, without which rules and laws which protect the individual and his right to think, spend, pray, earn, eat, fuck etc. etc. are meaningless.

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

MadImmortalMan

#44
August 21, 2012, 03:57:04 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 21, 2012, 03:51:40 PM
Am I a neo-con?

Nah, I am a fiscal conservative, not a social conservative.

In order to be a neo-con, you must previously have been a socialist.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers
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