Missouri Republican: 'Legitimate rape' rarely causes pregnancy

[derspiess]

We don't? 

Considering the number of children living in poverty/suffering from malnutrition (/dying of it)/poor education and life outcomes - I'd think we don't.

Man-- I didn't know things were so shitty here

[Jacob]

We're just crazy that way, Jake.

I don't think crazy is the best word here.

[garbon]

We don't? 

Considering the number of children living in poverty/suffering from malnutrition (/dying of it)/poor education and life outcomes - I'd think we don't.

Man-- I didn't know things were so shitty here

I'm not sure how you missed that.

Also, as I pointed out pregnancy/abortions are higher amongst non-whites which are also the groups that are heavily affected by those metrics.  Not sure how the solution is to have more individuals raise children in subgroups that already have issues raising children.

[Jacob]

Yes meant pro-choicer.

The point of my sophistry is to point out that both sides can make nonsensical statements that appeal to their partisans while making little sense to those in the other camp.

Mine wasn't a nonsensical statement, though.

[Barrister]

Yes meant pro-choicer.

The point of my sophistry is to point out that both sides can make nonsensical statements that appeal to their partisans while making little sense to those in the other camp.

Mine wasn't a nonsensical statement, though.

"hypocrisy" is really a poor form of political argument, and ultimately becomes an excuse to do nothing at all.

[Jacob]

While pregnancy can have serious and long-term health consequences, it is pretty rare, and is pretty much confined to people with pre-existing medical conditions.  A healthy female, who receives appropriate medical supervision during pregnancy, has little to worry about.

And you, a healthy white male, has even less to worry about. So clearly you should make the decision on her behalf.

[Neil]

Isn't there something of a demand for healthy white babies  to adopt?

Not sure of the relevance considering that non-white teens have high rates of pregnancy and abortion.

Just that adoption rather than abortion won't work for non-whites.

[Jacob]

Man-- I didn't know things were so shitty here

Possibly because you deliberately ignore any evidence on the matter?

[Neil]

While pregnancy can have serious and long-term health consequences, it is pretty rare, and is pretty much confined to people with pre-existing medical conditions.  A healthy female, who receives appropriate medical supervision during pregnancy, has little to worry about.

And you, a healthy white male, has even less to worry about. So clearly you should make the decision on her behalf.

Barring people from public policy discussions based on gender or race isn't supposed to be kosher for you people, is it?

[derspiess]

Man-- I didn't know things were so shitty here

Possibly because you deliberately ignore any evidence on the matter?

Or possibly because things really aren't that bad. 

[Jacob]

Do you think a late stage fetus is a child?

No, not really.

[Barrister]

While pregnancy can have serious and long-term health consequences, it is pretty rare, and is pretty much confined to people with pre-existing medical conditions.  A healthy female, who receives appropriate medical supervision during pregnancy, has little to worry about.

And you, a healthy white male, has even less to worry about. So clearly you should make the decision on her behalf.

Speaking of hypocrisy, it is funny how you're berating the right for not caring about people, and then telling me "it's none of your business so buzz off".

And my wife and I had health concerns during our first pregnancy, and I can tell you I worried about it quite a bit.  Thankfully everything turned out well, and the problem did not re-appear with out second pregnancy.

You have my position.  Clearly there are times when we make decisions for other people - you aren't allowed a 4th trimester abortion, and so I see little problem in banning a third trimester abortion as well.  However I do believe "you can be just a little bit pregnant", so it's not as if pregnant mothers don't have lots of options, including early-stage abortions.

[Jacob]

Or possibly because things really aren't that bad.

Exactly

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/display/31965

http://www.lsuagcenter.com/en/family_home/family/childcare/children_childcare/malnutrition+impairs+us+childrens+health+behavior+says+lsu+agcenter+food+and+nutrition+expert.htm

Illiteracy in the U.S.
Compared to the rest of the world, the U.S. is doing well. According to the latest International Adult Literacy Survey (IALS), between 19% and 23% of American adults performed at the top levels for each of the three literacy scales: document literacy, prose literacy and quantitative (number) literacy. Sweden is the only country that scored higher.

Yet many Americans are being left behind. The same survey found that between 21% and 24% of U.S. adults performed at the lowest level for all three scales, a figure echoed by the National Adult Literacy Survey (NALS). So what effect does this have on society in the United States?

Poverty & Employment
On average, adults at the lowest levels of literacy:

Earn about $230-$245 per week
Work only 18-19 weeks each year
Are more than three times as likely to receive food stamps (17%-19% as compared to 4% of those who read at the highest levels)
Are almost ten times more likely to be living below the poverty line (41%-44% as compared to 4%-8%)
Incarceration
Between 31% and 40% of prisoners read at the lowest literacy level, which is at least ten percentage points worse than the national average
Only four percent to seven percent of the prison population reads at the highest two literacy levels, compared to 18% to 21% of the rest of the population

http://education-portal.com/articles/Illiteracy_The_Downfall_of_American_Society.html

So either you don't think these levels of child malnutrition and what garbon terms "poor education and life outcomes" are "that bad" or you're ignoring them.

[Jacob]

Speaking of hypocrisy, it is funny how you're berating the right for not caring about people, and then telling me "it's none of your business so buzz off".

I didn't say that, not at all. I'm merely restating my opinion that the person bearing the health risk, however miniscule you personally may deem it, should make those decisions.

And my wife and I had health concerns during our first pregnancy, and I can tell you I worried about it quite a bit.  Thankfully everything turned out well, and the problem did not re-appear with out second pregnancy.

I am very happy for both you and your wife, and your children, that everything turned out well.

I'm not completely sure how it relates to the discussion at hand, however?

You have my position.  Clearly there are times when we make decisions for other people - you aren't allowed a 4th trimester abortion, and so I see little problem in banning a third trimester abortion as well.  However I do believe "you can be just a little bit pregnant", so it's not as if pregnant mothers don't have lots of options, including early-stage abortions.

4th trimester abortion? Cute.

Would you ban 3rd trimester abortion if carrying the baby to term meant the death of the mother?

[merithyn]

While pregnancy can have serious and long-term health consequences, it is pretty rare, and is pretty much confined to people with pre-existing medical conditions.  A healthy female, who receives appropriate medical supervision during pregnancy, has little to worry about.

Oh? Well, as a woman who nearly died during two pregnancies, and then had serious and severe health complications after because of those pregnancies, I kind of feel as though I have a bit more right to have an opinion on this than someone who will never go through anything like this.

You don't know what will happen during a pregnancy until you go through it. It is not my right nor yours to force someone to deal with those because we feel it's the right thing to do. Period.