Missouri Republican: 'Legitimate rape' rarely causes pregnancy

[Barrister]

I agree on all points except parental notification (and don't bother to try to convince me on that one; it will never happen).

Albeit outpatient, it's still a surgical procedure for minors.  Just like a tonsillectomy, except with an Oreck.

Although petitioning a judge in lieu of parental notification in a closed hearing is a fine alternative.

And when one of those girls have a father like Paul Ryan who forces them to have the child against their will, then what? Sorry, but no.

Notification doesn't have to mean permission.

I suspect (and I might be talking out of my ass here) that one of the big motivations in a pregnant teen getting an abortion is to not tell mom and/or dad.  Once that is done, there may be a little more room to look at alternatives.

I'd think one of the big motivations in a pregnant teen getting an abortion is that they don't want to fuck up their lives.

Does adoption "fuck up their life"?

[derspiess]

Not sure I'd play that card.  After all:

I find it a little weird how the average Democrat pro-lifer cares so much for the life of the child after it is born, but before it's born it can be surgically destroyed (murdered) for all they care.

Depending on your audience, what I wrote is equally valid.

I'll assume you mean "pro-choicer".

But yeah, I'll own up to that 100% since the inverse you propose make no sense. A fetus is not a child, especially in the early stages of development.

Are you merely playing at sophistry here, or do you genuinely believe an early stage fetus is a child?

Do you think a late stage fetus is a child?

No-- he just thinks it's "especially not a child" early-on

[garbon]

I think he has a point, though.  I would have to think that a certain percentage (however small) of underage girls getting abortions would look at other options if their parents were going to know one way or the other.  Kids do stuff they don't want to do all the time just to keep mom & dad from finding out.

So we've gone from big motivations now to isolated cases?

[garbon]

Does adoption "fuck up their life"?

Totally possible.  For one, just recently we had a charter school whose rules had them kick out pregnant students (yay GED!).

Secondly, said student is probably not going to be doing so hot academically which can affect future outcomes.

Thirdly, how many of those mothers would actually end up giving up their child vs. trying to raise it with the subpar quality of life that they can provide? After all 9 months is a long time.

[derspiess]

I think he has a point, though.  I would have to think that a certain percentage (however small) of underage girls getting abortions would look at other options if their parents were going to know one way or the other.  Kids do stuff they don't want to do all the time just to keep mom & dad from finding out.

So we've gone from big motivations now to isolated cases?

I don't know.  I'd guess somewhere in between.

[garbon]

I think he has a point, though.  I would have to think that a certain percentage (however small) of underage girls getting abortions would look at other options if their parents were going to know one way or the other.  Kids do stuff they don't want to do all the time just to keep mom & dad from finding out.

So we've gone from big motivations now to isolated cases?

I don't know.  I'd guess somewhere in between.

So we should add parental notification requirements on gut feeling?

[garbon]

And to agree in sentiment to what Jacob said (though not the format) - why are we pushing so much to scare teen girls into giving birth when we don't even have the ability to care for the children that are currently born?

[merithyn]

Does adoption "fuck up their life"?

Pregnancy certainly can. And while I'm a huge proponant for adoption before abortion, I could never presume to tell a woman to give up her body for nine months and risk serious health issues during that time simply because I believe that's what's right.

[derspiess]

So we should add parental notification requirements on gut feeling?

Ask Beeb.

And to agree in sentiment to what Jacob said (though not the format) - why are we pushing so much to scare teen girls into giving birth when we don't even have the ability to care for the children that are currently born?

We don't? 

[Neil]

Isn't there something of a demand for healthy white babies  to adopt?

[garbon]

Does adoption "fuck up their life"?

Pregnancy certainly can. And while I'm a huge proponant for adoption before abortion, I could never presume to tell a woman to give up her body for nine months and risk serious health issues during that time simply because I believe that's what's right.

That's true, I forgot health complications and risk of death.

[garbon]

Isn't there something of a demand for healthy white babies  to adopt?

Not sure of the relevance considering that non-white teens have high rates of pregnancy and abortion.

[Barrister]

Does adoption "fuck up their life"?

Pregnancy certainly can.

While pregnancy can have serious and long-term health consequences, it is pretty rare, and is pretty much confined to people with pre-existing medical conditions.  A healthy female, who receives appropriate medical supervision during pregnancy, has little to worry about.

[garbon]

We don't? 

Considering the number of children living in poverty/suffering from malnutrition (/dying of it)/poor education and life outcomes - I'd think we don't.

[Barrister]

Isn't there something of a demand for healthy white babies  to adopt?

Pretty sure there's a demand for healthy babies of all colours to adopt.  People generally aren't flying over to China to adopt because they specifically want a Chinese baby.