Missouri Republican: 'Legitimate rape' rarely causes pregnancy

[Ideologue]

And I still want to know what "sperm priming" is.  Google is no help.  Viking, you're the expert.  I like kooky hypotheses that (either accidentally or by design) get embraced by the right wing.

I still say that an abiogenic origin of petroleum (some, if not all) makes a lot of sense, even if it's biggest backers are preposterously biased oilheads and crazy creationists.  Thomas Gold figured out neutron stars, you savages.

[Ideologue]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?  Yi, would you like to pay me now?  It's cheaper if you don't wait.

[DGuller]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?

No.

[Viking]

And I still want to know what "sperm priming" is.  Google is no help.  Viking, you're the expert.  I like kooky hypotheses that (either accidentally or by design) get embraced by the right wing.

I still say that an abiogenic origin of petroleum (some, if not all) makes a lot of sense, even if it's biggest backers are preposterously biased oilheads and crazy creationists.  Thomas Gold figured out neutron stars, you savages.

http://www2.fz-juelich.de/isb/isb-1/Sperm_Physiology/

The first process - control and recognition between sperm and egg - is the focus of our research. A complex interaction exists between egg and sperm. The egg is able to control the physiology of sperm, priming it for fertilization, and the sperm reciprocates by activating the egg metabolism needed for the commencement of development. Albeit more than a century has gone by since scientists began to study the sperm-egg dialogue, the underlying molecular mechanisms still remain elusive.

Basically sperm priming is part of the interaction between egg and sperm when they come into contact. The theocratic bs is that the stress of the rape on the body causes the egg to not prime the sperm to pass through the external membrane and fertilize the egg. This is not the case, the priming happens when there is contact between a living egg and a living sperm cell.


Abiogenic oil makes no sense at all. It is creationist oil. I could go into depth if you want. I'll deposite a garbonite wall of words on your doorstep if you want.

[Razgovory]

The Soviets were big on abiogenic oil, and they were hardly a bunch of creationists.  Not saying it's right, the current theory has provided results and is useful, while abiogenic oil hasn't and isn't.

[CountDeMoney]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?

As long as he keeps his mouth shut, and he will, because he's good at it.

And, just like every other GOP convention since the 80s, they'll downplay the entire abortion stance, because they know how shitty it plays to independent voters on the national level.

Hell, even Bob McDonald, Governor Transvaginal Ultrasound himself, who happens to be the GOP chairman for the convention platform this year, will be getting a prime time slot to speak, but not on abortion:  it'll be on small government and small business.

As usual, they'll keep it quiet.  They've got no problem jamming the abortion and contraceptive issues down the throats any other time, until it's scrutiny time on the national stage.  And afterwards, when their candidate wins the White House, they'll be right back at it.

[garbon]

This is nothing new?

That was unnecessary. And no I don't think it new that Republicans are against abortion.

[Ideologue]

And I still want to know what "sperm priming" is.  Google is no help.  Viking, you're the expert.  I like kooky hypotheses that (either accidentally or by design) get embraced by the right wing.

I still say that an abiogenic origin of petroleum (some, if not all) makes a lot of sense, even if it's biggest backers are preposterously biased oilheads and crazy creationists.  Thomas Gold figured out neutron stars, you savages.

http://www2.fz-juelich.de/isb/isb-1/Sperm_Physiology/

The first process - control and recognition between sperm and egg - is the focus of our research. A complex interaction exists between egg and sperm. The egg is able to control the physiology of sperm, priming it for fertilization, and the sperm reciprocates by activating the egg metabolism needed for the commencement of development. Albeit more than a century has gone by since scientists began to study the sperm-egg dialogue, the underlying molecular mechanisms still remain elusive.

Basically sperm priming is part of the interaction between egg and sperm when they come into contact. The theocratic bs is that the stress of the rape on the body causes the egg to not prime the sperm to pass through the external membrane and fertilize the egg. This is not the case, the priming happens when there is contact between a living egg and a living sperm cell.

Shame that isn't the case.  It's stuff like this that makes me wonder where creationists get their ideas, given how many minor and major improvements could be made to the human body.

Abiogenic oil makes no sense at all. It is creationist oil. I could go into depth if you want. I'll deposite a garbonite wall of words on your doorstep if you want.

Abiogenic hydrocarbons, including some rather long chain ones, are evident in the solar system.  That said, the formation of Titan and the formation of Earth occurred under somewhat different circumstances.  It's not so much that I believe it (the hypothesis has been bolstered by little evidence) but it has been and to an extent still is worth investigating.

[merithyn]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?

No.

Which makes me sad.

[Viking]

Shame that isn't the case.  It's stuff like this that makes me wonder where creationists get their ideas, given how many minor and major improvements could be made to the human body.

My personal easy small design that would massively improve the human, is to move the birth canal from below the pelvic bone to above it so that we can have bigger heads. Right now the size of our heads and the size of our pelvic bones are in a precarious triangular balance from the stone age where the risk of death in child birth is balanced with the cost in resources and fitness of having a wider pelvis in women and the benefit you get from having a bigger brain.

In addition to the obvious ones of using the same hole for breathing, eating and drinking as well as the same hole for pissing and fucking. The coxxyx the appendix the petuitary gland etc.etc.

They make this shit up quote mining and twisting anything they can so that they do not have to abandon their cherished idea.

Abiogenic hydrocarbons, including some rather long chain ones, are evident in the solar system.  That said, the formation of Titan and the formation of Earth occurred under somewhat different circumstances.  It's not so much that I believe it (the hypothesis has been bolstered by little evidence) but it has been and to an extent still is worth investigating.

Not just the solar system. Apparently organic molecules (depending where you draw the lower limit) outnumber all other large molecules in nearby space. As they do on earth. But, compared to methane there is a difference of many hundreds of orders of magnitude, unlike earth where it is maybe as high as 5. What the astronomers have found is that benzene rings survive in space, thats it really. extra-terrestrial complex hydrocarbons do not mean abiogenic hydrocarbons, they might mean life.

The reason this is comparable to creationism is that the hypothesis explains nothing, makes no predictions and solves no problems. Basically the theory is "oil can magically happen". The problem is that all the oil that has been found has been found to happen by natural processes.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Soviets were big on abiogenic oil

They also pushed lysenkoism.  The USSR was prone to pseudo-scientific boondoogles because of the potential of convincing the right party members to make it socialist doctrine.

[Neil]

The Soviets were big on abiogenic oil

They also pushed lysenkoism.  The USSR was prone to pseudo-scientific boondoogles because of the potential of convincing the right party members to make it socialist doctrine.

Politics often trump science.

[derspiess]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?

No.

Which makes me sad.

[garbon]

Anyway, does anyone think Paul Ryan's previous support for this kind of nonsense will hurt him and Romney?

No.

Which makes me sad.

Of course if one buys the argument that said fetuses are people, allowing for abortion in rape cases that are not life-threatening to the mother seems solely the result of political compromise.

[merithyn]

You understand that the part that makes me sad is that in this country, it isn't beyond the realm of belief that abortion will become illegal. That someone - someones - who believe this can not only win an election, but become the Vice-President saddens me immeasurably.

Of course if one buys the argument that said fetuses are people, allowing for abortion in rape cases that are not life-threatening to the mother seems solely the result of political compromise.

Yes, that's true. Interestingly, the loudest voices on this appear to be men. I wonder where the women are.