Missouri Republican: 'Legitimate rape' rarely causes pregnancy

[CountDeMoney]

You do know this Todd Akin guy is on the House Science and Technology Committee, don't you?

That just makes it worse.

That's part of the perks of your party winning the House; that's how you wind up with Michelle Bachmann on the House Intelligence Committee, and Dan Issa as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Paul Ryan as Chairman of the Budget Committee, and on, and on.

[Viking]

You do know this Todd Akin guy is on the House Science and Technology Committee, don't you?

That just makes it worse.

That's part of the perks of your party winning the House; that's how you wind up with Michelle Bachmann on the House Intelligence Committee, and Dan Issa as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Paul Ryan as Chairman of the Budget Committee, and on, and on.

Managing crazy, corrupt, stupid and luddite is part of the House Rep leaderships most important tasks.

[garbon]

I think that hooplah over the term "forcible rape" is just hooplah, given that it never actually had a definition. Isn't rape by definition - forcible?

I know you're all up on gay issues and whatnot, and don't really have a dog in the abortion fight, but you should really pay more attention to what your fave-raves on the right have been trying to do in legislatively qualifying the act of rape in recent years.

But I already said what they've been doing was/is deplorable. Even recently in this thread.

[garbon]

One should realize we're talking about movement in a continuum, and movement in a particular direction.

I don't think it is anything new.

[CountDeMoney]

But I already said what they've been doing was/is deplorable. Even recently in this thread.

Then do something about it.

[Siege]

I support whatever Rush Limbough's opinion is on this case.

[Barrister]

I think that hooplah over the term "forcible rape" is just hooplah, given that it never actually had a definition. Isn't rape by definition - forcible?

You tell that to the geniuses who are so keen on distinguishing between different types of rape for their various bits of legislation rolling back reproductive rights.

Garbon - no, not every kind of rape is "forcible rape".  See so-called "date rape".  Which apparently is the kind of rape Akin was trying to distinguish.

This segues into a Canadian debate on whether there are 'different types of sexual assaults'.  The Alberta court of appeal has a couple of times come up with a judicial definition of "major sexual assault".  It's not a new or separate offence, but is rather a sentencing regime.  In Canada any unwanted sexual touching is a sexual assault, but a "major sexual assault" is one that is penetrative.  It is to distinguish between unwanted vaginal sex, and an unwanted ass grab.  Both might be offences, but clearly one is much more invasive to a victim.  And note - how well the accused knows the victim does not distinguish between a major sexual assault, and one that is not.

So no - not all rapes are forcible rapes, and that distinction is really not helpful, but one can indeed be a genius by wanting to differentiate between different kinds of offences.

[Razgovory]

I support whatever Rush Limbough's opinion is on this case.

He wants you to convert to Christianity.

[CountDeMoney]

Garbon - no, not every kind of rape is "forcible rape".  See so-called "date rape".  Which apparently is the kind of rape Akin was trying to distinguish.

He likes to distinguish it from statutory rape as well.

But Mr. Akin didn't use "forcible"; he used "legitimate", which is an entirely different type of uneducated bullshit.

[DGuller]

Yeah, I think it also doesn't help that there seems to be a conscious desire to avoid using the word "rape", with the unintended effect of having "sexual assault" taken on a too wide range of behaviors.  It naturally introduces a desire to differentiate between "taken down by six guys and penetrated twenty times in total" sexual assaults and "pinched in the butt on the bus" sexual assaults, and that can easily get you in trouble if you do it with anything other than utmost sensitivity.

[Ideologue]

I think that hooplah over the term "forcible rape" is just hooplah, given that it never actually had a definition. Isn't rape by definition - forcible?

You tell that to the geniuses who are so keen on distinguishing between different types of rape for their various bits of legislation rolling back reproductive rights.

Garbon - no, not every kind of rape is "forcible rape".  See so-called "date rape".  Which apparently is the kind of rape Akin was trying to distinguish.

Depends on how you define forcible (and date rape).  Non-consensual sex involving the threat of force can still be found under the rubric of date rape.  Unless you mean date rape to mean, solely, non-sensual sex involving unconsciousness or diminished capacity (of course I could have just said "sex involving unconsciousness or diminished capacity" and not been redundant THANKS SUPREME COURT OF CANADA).  And having sex with an unconscious person (who didn't establish their consent prior, or maybe even if they did--once again thanks SCC you fucking monsters), you may argue, is certainly "forcible."  Leaving someone stranded on the side of the road "unless" is force, too.

Date rape is going to involve some method of either overcoming resistance or obviating concent, because it still has to be rape, and generally this is going to involve force of one kind of another.  The only exception to rape being forcible that I can think of involves those held to legally be unable to consent: minors, and, in many jurisdictions, the mentally handicapped (which is a whole other brand of fucked up but the right of tards to experience love is outside the scope of our discussion).  You can also add 18 year old students to that list if you're in Texas (or in South Carolina ), I suppose.

However, annoying someone into having sex isn't rape.  At least I hope not.  For all our sakes.

But again I guess it depends on what is meant by forcible.

[DGuller]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/pregnant-woman-relieved-to-learn-her-rape-was-ille,29258/

[Barrister]

Garbon - no, not every kind of rape is "forcible rape".  See so-called "date rape".  Which apparently is the kind of rape Akin was trying to distinguish.

He likes to distinguish it from statutory rape as well.

But Mr. Akin didn't use "forcible"; he used "legitimate", which is an entirely different type of uneducated bullshit.

On Mike Huckabees show, in order to try and save himself, he clarified that by "legitimate" he meant "forcible".  Which doesn't really help him much.

[sbr]

Garbon - no, not every kind of rape is "forcible rape".  See so-called "date rape".  Which apparently is the kind of rape Akin was trying to distinguish.

He likes to distinguish it from statutory rape as well.

But Mr. Akin didn't use "forcible"; he used "legitimate", which is an entirely different type of uneducated bullshit.

On Mike Huckabees show, in order to try and save himself, he clarified that by "legitimate" he meant "forcible".  Which doesn't really help him much.

Right, which is another of he and Ryan's made up terms used to frame the abortion debate in their favor.

[Jacob]

One should realize we're talking about movement in a continuum, and movement in a particular direction.

I don't think it is anything new.

According to the BBC

In 2011, he co-sponsored a bill that would have limited the government help available to women seeking abortions in the case of rape to cases of "forcible rape".

After a public outcry, the House Republican party changed this language.

I understand the list of cosponsors include the following:

Aderholt, Robert [R-AL4]
Akin, Todd [R-MO2]
Alexander, Rodney [R-LA5]
Austria, Steve [R-OH7]
Bachmann, Michele [R-MN6]
Bachus, Spencer [R-AL6]
Barletta, Lou [R-PA11]
Bartlett, Roscoe [R-MD6]
Barton, Joe [R-TX6]
Benishek, Dan [R-MI1]
Bilirakis, Gus [R-FL9]
Bishop, Rob [R-UT1]
Blackburn, Marsha [R-TN7]
Bonner, Jo [R-AL1]
Boren, Dan [D-OK2]
Boustany, Charles [R-LA7]
Brady, Kevin [R-TX8]
Brooks, Mo [R-AL5]
Broun, Paul [R-GA10]
Buchanan, Vern [R-FL13]
Buerkle, Ann Marie [R-NY25]
Burgess, Michael [R-TX26]
Burton, Dan [R-IN5]
Calvert, Ken [R-CA44]
Canseco, Francisco "Quico" [R-TX23]
Cantor, Eric [R-VA7]
Carter, John [R-TX31]
Cassidy, Bill [R-LA6]
Chabot, Steven "Steve" [R-OH1]
Chaffetz, Jason [R-UT3]
Coffman, Mike [R-CO6]
Cole, Tom [R-OK4]
Conaway, Michael [R-TX11]
Costello, Jerry [D-IL12]
Cravaack, Chip [R-MN8]
Crawford, Rick [R-AR1]
Crenshaw, Ander [R-FL4]
Critz, Mark [D-PA12]
Davis, Geoff [R-KY4]
DesJarlais, Scott [R-TN4]
Diaz-Balart, Mario [R-FL21]
Donnelly, Joe [D-IN2]
Duffy, Sean [R-WI7]
Duncan, Jeff [R-SC3]
Duncan, John "Jimmy" [R-TN2]
Ellmers, Renee [R-NC2]
Emerson, Jo Ann [R-MO8]
Fitzpatrick, Michael [R-PA8]
Flake, Jeff [R-AZ6]
Fleming, John [R-LA4]
Forbes, Randy [R-VA4]
Fortenberry, Jeffrey [R-NE1]
Foxx, Virginia [R-NC5]
Franks, Trent [R-AZ2]
Gardner, Cory [R-CO4]
Garrett, Scott [R-NJ5]
Gerlach, Jim [R-PA6]
Gibbs, Bob [R-OH18]
Gingrey, John "Phil" [R-GA11]
Gohmert, Louis [R-TX1]
Goodlatte, Robert "Bob" [R-VA6]
Gowdy, Trey [R-SC4]
Granger, Kay [R-TX12]
Graves, Samuel "Sam" [R-MO6]
Grimm, Michael [R-NY13]
Guthrie, Brett [R-KY2]
Hall, Ralph [R-TX4]
Harper, Gregg [R-MS3]
Harris, Andy [R-MD1]
Hartzler, Vicky [R-MO4]
Hensarling, Jeb [R-TX5]
Herger, Walter "Wally" [R-CA2]
Huelskamp, Tim [R-KS1]
Hunter, Duncan [R-CA52]
Hurt, Robert [R-VA5]
Jenkins, Lynn [R-KS2]
Johnson, Samuel "Sam" [R-TX3]
Johnson, Timothy [R-IL15]
Jones, Walter [R-NC3]
Jordan, Jim [R-OH4]
Kelly, Mike [R-PA3]
King, Peter "Pete" [R-NY3]
King, Steve [R-IA5]
Kingston, Jack [R-GA1]
Kinzinger, Adam [R-IL11]
Kline, John [R-MN2]
Lamborn, Doug [R-CO5]
Landry, Jeff [R-LA3]
Lankford, James [R-OK5]
LaTourette, Steven [R-OH14]
Latta, Robert [R-OH5]
Lee, Christopher [R-NY26]
Lipinski, Daniel [D-IL3]
LoBiondo, Frank [R-NJ2]
Long, Billy [R-MO7]
Luetkemeyer, Blaine [R-MO9]
Lungren, Daniel [R-CA3]
Manzullo, Donald [R-IL16]
Marchant, Kenny [R-TX24]
Marino, Thomas [R-PA10]
McCarthy, Kevin [R-CA22]
McCaul, Michael [R-TX10]
McClintock, Tom [R-CA4]
McCotter, Thaddeus "Thad" [R-MI11]
McHenry, Patrick [R-NC10]
McIntyre, Mike [D-NC7]
McKeon, Howard "Buck" [R-CA25]
McKinley, David [R-WV1]
McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [R-WA5]
Miller, Candice [R-MI10]
Miller, Gary [R-CA42]
Miller, Jeff [R-FL1]
Mulvaney, Mick [R-SC5]
Murphy, Tim [R-PA18]
Neugebauer, Randy [R-TX19]
Noem, Kristi [R-SD0]
Nunnelee, Alan [R-MS1]
Olson, Pete [R-TX22]
Paul, Ronald "Ron" [R-TX14]
Pence, Mike [R-IN6]
Peterson, Collin [D-MN7]
Pitts, Joseph [R-PA16]
Pompeo, Mike [R-KS4]
Posey, Bill [R-FL15]
Price, Tom [R-GA6]
Rahall, Nick [D-WV3]
Ribble, Reid [R-WI8]
Rigell, Scott [R-VA2]
Roe, Phil [R-TN1]
Rogers, Harold "Hal" [R-KY5]
Rogers, Michael "Mike" [R-MI8]
Rokita, Todd [R-IN4]
Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R-FL18]
Roskam, Peter [R-IL6]
Ross, Mike [D-AR4]
Royce, Edward "Ed" [R-CA40]
Ryan, Paul [R-WI1]
Scalise, Steve [R-LA1]
Schilling, Robert "Bobby" [R-IL17]
Schmidt, Jean [R-OH2]
Scott, Austin [R-GA8]
Scott, Tim [R-SC1]
Sensenbrenner, James [R-WI5]
Shimkus, John [R-IL19]
Shuler, Heath [D-NC11]
Shuster, William "Bill" [R-PA9]
Simpson, Michael "Mike" [R-ID2]
Smith, Lamar [R-TX21]
Stutzman, Marlin [R-IN3]
Sullivan, John [R-OK1]
Terry, Lee [R-NE2]
Thompson, Glenn [R-PA5]
Tiberi, Patrick "Pat" [R-OH12]
Turner, Michael [R-OH3]
Westmoreland, Lynn [R-GA3]
Whitfield, Edward "Ed" [R-KY1]
Wilson, Addison "Joe" [R-SC2]
Wittman, Rob [R-VA1]
Wolf, Frank [R-VA10]
Woodall, Rob [R-GA7]
Young, Bill [R-FL10]
Amash, Justin [R-MI3]
Coble, Howard [R-NC6]
Gosar, Paul [R-AZ1]
Griffith, Morgan [R-VA9]
Mack, Connie [R-FL14]
Petri, Thomas "Tom" [R-WI6]
Rivera, David [R-FL25]
Roby, Martha [R-AL2]
Ross, Dennis [R-FL12]
Smith, Adrian [R-NE3]
Walberg, Timothy [R-MI7]
Walden, Greg [R-OR2]
Black, Diane [R-TN6]
Campbell, John [R-CA48]
Denham, Jeff [R-CA19]
Farenthold, Blake [R-TX27]
Fincher, Stephen [R-TN8]
Fleischmann, Chuck [R-TN3]
Flores, Bill [R-TX17]
Gallegly, Elton [R-CA24]
Huizenga, Bill [R-MI2]
Lance, Leonard [R-NJ7]
Latham, Thomas "Tom" [R-IA4]
Myrick, Sue [R-NC9]
Palazzo, Steven [R-MS4]
Pearce, Steven "Steve" [R-NM2]
Platts, Todd [R-PA19]
Poe, Ted [R-TX2]
Quayle, Ben [R-AZ3]
Rogers, Michael "Mike" [R-AL3]
Schock, Aaron [R-IL18]
Schweikert, David [R-AZ5]
Sessions, Peter "Pete" [R-TX32]
Southerland, Steve [R-FL2]
Stearns, Clifford "Cliff" [R-FL6]
Thornberry, William "Mac" [R-TX13]
Walsh, Joe [R-IL8]
Womack, Steve [R-AR3]
Young, Todd [R-IN9]
Berg, Rick [R-ND0]
Griffin, Tim [R-AR2]
Hultgren, Randy [R-IL14]
Lucas, Frank [R-OK3]
Stivers, Steve [R-OH15]
Johnson, Bill [R-OH6]
Labrador, Raúl [R-ID1]
Nunes, Devin [R-CA21]
West, Allen [R-FL22]
Issa, Darrell [R-CA49]
Yoder, Kevin [R-KS3]
Adams, Sandy [R-FL24]
Bilbray, Brian [R-CA50]
Bucshon, Larry [R-IN8]
Culberson, John [R-TX7]
Heck, Joe [R-NV3]
Lummis, Cynthia [R-WY0]
Mica, John [R-FL7]
Reed, Tom [R-NY29]
Rehberg, Dennis "Denny" [R-MT0]
Rooney, Thomas [R-FL16]
Guinta, Frank [R-NH1]
Holden, Tim [D-PA17]
Lewis, Jerry [R-CA41]
Graves, Tom [R-GA9]
Nugent, Richard [R-FL5]
Upton, Frederick "Fred" [R-MI6]

This is nothing new?