The Hobbit to become a trilogy

[garbon]

I am astonished the people think the problems with The Lord of the Rings movies were due to editing! 

The problem was with the writing (hobbits bouncing on beds, green slime people, Aragorn's story completely fucked up, elves at Helm's Deep, orcs attacking fortifications with pikes at Helm's Deep, horses riding down vertical walls, etc).  The editing wasn't brilliant, but it was competent, and good editing would be hard to do for such a complex story.

The only real editing blunder I saw was including all that silly stuff with Aragorn falling off the cliff, and then excluding the end of the Sauraman story.   The editors got their priorities wrong, there.

I pointed out two parts - I didn't need. Frodo-Sam mooney eyes and hobbits in bed. Editing could have removed both of those even if the scenes had been written and filmed.

[Darth Wagtaros]

I am astonished the people think the problems with The Lord of the Rings movies were due to editing! 

The problem was with the writing (hobbits bouncing on beds, green slime people, Aragorn's story completely fucked up, elves at Helm's Deep, orcs attacking fortifications with pikes at Helm's Deep, horses riding down vertical walls, etc).  The editing wasn't brilliant, but it was competent, and good editing would be hard to do for such a complex story.

The only real editing blunder I saw was including all that silly stuff with Aragorn falling off the cliff, and then excluding the end of the Sauraman story.   The editors got their priorities wrong, there.

I pointed out two parts - I didn't need. Frodo-Sam mooney eyes and hobbits in bed. Editing could have removed both of those even if the scenes had been written and filmed.

There was also what the did to Arwen; turning Gondor - particularly Denethor - into crap; the whole giant eye thing; the ghosts and the corsairs...

[garbon]

Well presumably on the ghosts, they'd spent some decent budget animating those - so I can understand if it wasn't okay to edit them away.

[CountDeMoney]

Well presumably on the ghosts, they'd spent some decent budget animating those - so I can understand if it wasn't okay to edit them away.

That was the same problem with Star Trek: The Motion Picture, among other things:  WE SPENT A GAZILLION DOLLARS ON THIS PARTICULAR SET MODEL ITS GOTTA GET 4 MINUTES OF FILM TIME

[garbon]

Well presumably on the ghosts, they'd spent some decent budget animating those - so I can understand if it wasn't okay to edit them away.

That was the same problem with Star Trek: The Motion Picture, among other things:  WE SPENT A GAZILLION DOLLARS ON THIS PARTICULAR SET MODEL ITS GOTTA GET 4 MINUTES OF FILM TIME

Yeah seems like things like that could get more politically heated in discussions for removal. Hobbits playing in bed? Not so much.

[CountDeMoney]

Yeah seems like things like that could get more politically heated in discussions for removal. Hobbits playing in bed? Not so much.

Marti the exec producer would be all like, "The hairy toes bedroom scene stays in the picture!"

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I pointed out two parts - I didn't need. Frodo-Sam mooney eyes and hobbits in bed. Editing could have removed both of those even if the scenes had been written and filmed.

I don't think Hobbits in bed was in the edited version.  Dunno what "Frodo-Sam Mooney eyes" is, so I'm not sure whether that was in the edited version or not.

[grumbler]

There was also what the did to Arwen; turning Gondor - particularly Denethor - into crap; the whole giant eye thing; the ghosts and the corsairs...

I think that was writing, not editing.

[garbon]

I don't think Hobbits in bed was in the edited version.  Dunno what "Frodo-Sam Mooney eyes" is, so I'm not sure whether that was in the edited version or not.

I already said what it was early in this thread. The unnecessary seen of Frodo and Sam chilling on Mount Doom - essentially professing their gay love for one another...which then was oddly book-ended by Sam suddenly getting married.

[garbon]

There was also what the did to Arwen; turning Gondor - particularly Denethor - into crap; the whole giant eye thing; the ghosts and the corsairs...

I think that was writing, not editing.

Yes and no. I mean editing can hide some of the writing if only because it literally removes the presence of what was written. Arwen/Gondor though, without specifics from Wags, do indeed strike me as writing that editing couldn't help.

[Ed Anger]

King Kong is the greatest movie EVER. Fact.

[CountDeMoney]

King Kong is the greatest movie EVER. Fact.

Fuck Charles Grodin, man.  Fag.

[Ed Anger]

King Kong is the greatest movie EVER. Fact.

Fuck Charles Grodin, man.  Fag.

[grumbler]

I already said what it was early in this thread. The unnecessary seen of Frodo and Sam chilling on Mount Doom - essentially professing their gay love for one another...which then was oddly book-ended by Sam suddenly getting married.

Didn't see that version of the movie.

But the scene after they escape from the lava could have been cut in half.  It had to be there, to show you that Frodo lived, but it didn't need so much exposition.

[garbon]

Didn't see that version of the movie.

But the scene after they escape from the lava could have been cut in half.  It had to be there, to show you that Frodo lived, but it didn't need so much exposition.

Good for you. No idea what you saw though.