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Penn State's Child Rape Cover Up

Started by jimmy olsen, July 01, 2012, 06:19:57 AM

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Neil

Quote from: sbr on July 13, 2012, 05:23:21 PM
I hope the NCAA finds a way to lay the smackdown on PSU.  I am a fan of college football but a lot of these programs are getting out of hand.  From the kid falling out of the lift and dying at Notre Dame, to the Sweatervest's cover-up of OSU's problems to this scandal these coaches and programs seems believe they are above all laws; NCAA, state, federal and nature.  They have good reason to think that, but I would like to see it brought back down again.
The programs are out of control, but the NCAA itself is so loathsome and corrupt that it's painful to see them take any action.
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grumbler

Quote from: sbr on July 13, 2012, 05:23:21 PM
I hope the NCAA finds a way to lay the smackdown on PSU.  I am a fan of college football but a lot of these programs are getting out of hand.  From the kid falling out of the lift and dying at Notre Dame, to the Sweatervest's cover-up of OSU's problems to this scandal these coaches and programs seems believe they are above all laws; NCAA, state, federal and nature.  They have good reason to think that, but I would like to see it brought back down again.

I'd prefer it if PSU did it to themselves, but essentially agree: PSU has shown it can't handle college football.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Neil on July 14, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
The programs are out of control, but the NCAA itself is so loathsome and corrupt that it's painful to see them take any action.

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merithyn

Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
If the Football program gets penalized, maybe they(the B10) can restore Ohio State's traditional rivalry with Illinois. OHIO STATE SHOULD PLAY ILLINOIS EVERY YEAR, NOT PEDO STATE.
Is Illinois less good?  Surely the overwhelming priority for Ohio State is to play as many weak teams as possible.

Illinois sucks. I'm guessing that's why Ed wants O-HI-O State to play them, since they're only good against schools like the Illini.
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QuoteArtist removes Joe Paterno's halo from Penn State mural

On Saturday, muralist Michael Pilato altered his famous Penn State artwork – by removing a halo painted over the head of former head football coach Joe Paterno – because of revelations about Paterno's role in the child sexual abuse scandal that has rocked the university.

The mural, which adorns the university bookstore at the corner of Heister Streets and College Avenue in State College, Pa., depicts a group of local luminaries, including Paterno, who was head coach of the Penn State football team for nearly 46 years. Pilato had added the halo after Paterno's death on Jan. 22.

Pilato and his family have been friends with the Paternos for many years so this decision was a tough one, he said. But after considering what was revealed in last week's Freeh report, Pilato said, he "had no choice."

"Sue Paterno had been quoted as saying Joe was not a saint. That made this difficult decision easier for me to execute," Pilato told NBC News.

"The last time I saw Joe in his home before he died, he said to me, 'I wish there were classes taught on sexual abuse,'" Pilato said. "The blue ribbon signifies awareness of the sexual abuse and knowing where Joe's thoughts were on this, I felt it was appropriate to give him the blue ribbon."

In December, emboldened by the victims in the Penn State scandal, Pilato's 16-year-old daughter, Skye, went public with the story of her own abuse — being raped by two men when she was 12, the local Centre Daily Times reported. The artist has dedicated a recent mural in State College to her and other victims of sexual abuse.

Pilato removed the image of Jerry Sandusky from the earlier mural after Sandusky's arrest in November, and later replaced him with the image of Dora McQuaid, a Penn State graduate who is an activist on sexual and domestic abuse issues. He plans to have all the handprints of all the victims of Sandusky added to the mural in the near future.

Pilato has not decided what he will do with the image of Spanier, the former Penn State president, on the mural. "In the last two days, people have been throwing eggs on the Spanier section of the mural," adds Pilato. "Maybe they are doing my work for me."

Ed Anger

Quote from: merithyn on July 14, 2012, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: Neil on July 13, 2012, 04:52:45 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 13, 2012, 04:50:29 PM
If the Football program gets penalized, maybe they(the B10) can restore Ohio State's traditional rivalry with Illinois. OHIO STATE SHOULD PLAY ILLINOIS EVERY YEAR, NOT PEDO STATE.
Is Illinois less good?  Surely the overwhelming priority for Ohio State is to play as many weak teams as possible.

Illinois sucks. I'm guessing that's why Ed wants O-HI-O State to play them, since they're only good against schools like the Illini.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: grumbler on July 14, 2012, 06:50:48 PM
I'd prefer it if PSU did it to themselves, but essentially agree: PSU has shown it can't handle college football.

Yeah, after much contemplation, I think PSU needs some time alone to figure out its priorities.  Like 3 years.  Let the kids walk, and waive the year of eligibility issues. 
That stadium needs to be empty for a while, and that school needs a time-out in the time-out corner to reevaluate its priorities as an institution of higher learning.

DontSayBanana

They'd already been on Middles States' radar: http://www.psu.edu/vpaa/pdfs/middlestatesinquiryletter.pdf

They passed that time around, but this report is really going to make their accreditation review in 2014 difficult for them.
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grumbler

Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 15, 2012, 10:20:13 AM
They'd already been on Middles States' radar: http://www.psu.edu/vpaa/pdfs/middlestatesinquiryletter.pdf

They passed that time around, but this report is really going to make their accreditation review in 2014 difficult for them.

Not really.  MSCHE has already praised the school for being so open with its investigation and hiring a guy like Freeh, willing to take the school to task (they just recertified PSU a coupla weeks ago).  So long as the school does something to counter the problems, Middle States isn't going to give them any grief.
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grumbler

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 15, 2012, 06:54:49 AM
Yeah, after much contemplation, I think PSU needs some time alone to figure out its priorities.  Like 3 years.  Let the kids walk, and waive the year of eligibility issues. 
That stadium needs to be empty for a while, and that school needs a time-out in the time-out corner to reevaluate its priorities as an institution of higher learning.

Yeah.  The most damning evidence, IMO, was that the janitors in the locker rooms saw what was happening, talked about it amongst themselves, and decided that the school was tolerating it for some reason, and that they would be fired if they made waves.  So they kept silent.

If that's the kind of culture you have at your school's football program, changing an AD and coach doesn't fix it. Getting rid of football and starting afresh a year or three later is the only way to fix it.
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Berkut

That would play holy hell with conference schedules, now wouldn't it?
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jimmy olsen

Give them the Undeath penalty. For every coach and school administration that covered up child rape they should take away ten scholarships for every year that covered it up. So 40 scholarships per year for 14 years.  :menace:
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grumbler

Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
That would play holy hell with conference schedules, now wouldn't it?

Not as badly as it would if they had 9 conference games.

The three out-of-division opponents would just get in-division foes that lost their PSU games.  You would just need to find opponents for the other two in-division opponents. Not trivial, but not impossible.
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sbr

Quote from: grumbler on July 15, 2012, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: Berkut on July 15, 2012, 07:31:04 PM
That would play holy hell with conference schedules, now wouldn't it?

Not as badly as it would if they had 9 conference games.

The three out-of-division opponents would just get in-division foes that lost their PSU games.  You would just need to find opponents for the other two in-division opponents. Not trivial, but not impossible.

Considering the Big Ten had 11 teams for so long I would think they could manage going back for while.

Martinus

Why do you guys have college football in the first place? Most countries do not have anything remotely like this.