It's morning in Wisconsin

[CountDeMoney]

Of course, it is a fiction that the Dems MUST have this source of political power to counter Republican power from large financial backers. The Dems have their own large financial backers, and it isn't like there is anything stopping them from raising billions in super-pacs as well.

Except that, well, billionaires and corporations don't traditionally the Democratic Party.  Gotta have those tax cuts, regulatory relaxation, and lack of accountability to the public, you know.

[garbon]

Of course, it is a fiction that the Dems MUST have this source of political power to counter Republican power from large financial backers. The Dems have their own large financial backers, and it isn't like there is anything stopping them from raising billions in super-pacs as well.

Except that, well, billionaires and corporations don't traditionally the Democratic Party.  Gotta have those tax cuts, regulatory relaxation, and lack of accountability to the public, you know.

Don't the Dems excel at the latter?

[Razgovory]

I hope that all of you will tell the clerk at the DMV why they shouldn't have the freedom association.

If I were to give them advice, I'd advise them to find a job that they actually enjoy.

Perhaps you can advice them to be born wealthy as well.

[Hansmeister]

Of course, it is a fiction that the Dems MUST have this source of political power to counter Republican power from large financial backers. The Dems have their own large financial backers, and it isn't like there is anything stopping them from raising billions in super-pacs as well.

Except that, well, billionaires and corporations don't traditionally the Democratic Party.  Gotta have those tax cuts, regulatory relaxation, and lack of accountability to the public, you know.

Billionaires and Corporations love taxes and regulations, since they have the werewithals to get around them, creating a competitive advantage against small business, which is why they tend to support Democrats.

Although Corporations tend to give to both sides as a for of protection.  The argument that the rich and corporations favor the GOP is another bunch of uneducated claptrap without evidence.

You are a fucking moron.

[garbon]

I hope that all of you will tell the clerk at the DMV why they shouldn't have the freedom association.

If I were to give them advice, I'd advise them to find a job that they actually enjoy.

Perhaps you can advice them to be born wealthy as well.

I think hands-down, DMV employees are some of the most disgruntled individuals I've ever met.  But then their gov't cushion gives them the leeway to be down right terrible.

[Razgovory]

I hope that all of you will tell the clerk at the DMV why they shouldn't have the freedom association.

If I were to give them advice, I'd advise them to find a job that they actually enjoy.

Perhaps you can advice them to be born wealthy as well.

I think hands-down, DMV employees are some of the most disgruntled individuals I've ever met.  But then their gov't cushion gives them the leeway to be down right terrible.

What about the ones that don't have a "gov't cushion"?  Like in Missouri?

[CountDeMoney]

Are workplace conditions deteriorating?

Slashing $1.85 billion from the Wisconsin education system, yeah, I'd say workplace conditions are deteriorating.

What was slashed was the Union negotiated health care plans.  The Unions negotiated for the State to buy health insurance from the Union itself, grossly overpriced for what was provided in order to create a slush fund for the Union leadership.  By getting out of this corrupt arraingement school districts have been able to increase spending on actual education.

There isn't $1.85 billion in health care costs for Wisconsin teachers. 
And no, the school districts have not increased spending on "actual" education, what with the voucher program eliminating $71 million to Milwaukee public schools alone.  But that's where all the niggers live, so it's OK.

Your arguments are pathetic.

I've missed you cranking up your Bill O'Reilly Ad Hom n' Hyperbole Machine(tm) You've been deployed far too long.

Meh, I don't have any kids going to school in Wisconsin anyway. 

[CountDeMoney]

Billionaires and Corporations love taxes and regulations, since they have the werewithals to get around them, creating a competitive advantage against small business, which is why they tend to support Democrats.

Although Corporations tend to give to both sides as a for of protection.  The argument that the rich and corporations favor the GOP is another bunch of uneducated claptrap without evidence.

You are a fucking moron.

See above post.

[Valmy]

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

Except it wouldn't work that way.  The splinters would have to cater to the same interests that used to support the Democrats.  Because somebody is going to get those votes....

[Valmy]

Billionaires and Corporations love taxes and regulations, since they have the werewithals to get around them, creating a competitive advantage against small business, which is why they tend to support Democrats.

Although Corporations tend to give to both sides as a for of protection.  The argument that the rich and corporations favor the GOP is another bunch of uneducated claptrap without evidence.

Crap Hans said something I agree with completely

I suddenly feel pangs of self doubt.

[garbon]

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

Except it wouldn't work that way.  The splinters would have to cater to the same interests that used to support the Democrats.  Because somebody is going to get those votes....

Nope. All Dems will forcibly convert or emigrate.

[Razgovory]

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

Except it wouldn't work that way.  The splinters would have to cater to the same interests that used to support the Democrats.  Because somebody is going to get those votes....

Why would they?  In our hypothetical why would they endorse the ideas of party that couldn't cut it?

[Hansmeister]

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

Except it wouldn't work that way.  The splinters would have to cater to the same interests that used to support the Democrats.  Because somebody is going to get those votes....

Nope. All Dems will forcibly convert or emigrate.

That is why we are next door to Canada. 

[Valmy]

Why would they?  In our hypothetical why would they endorse the ideas of party that couldn't cut it?

The same reasons the old Republicans ended up endorsing the Federalists ideas.

[Berkut]

Are workplace conditions deteriorating?

Slashing $1.85 billion from the Wisconsin education system, yeah, I'd say workplace conditions are deteriorating.

What was slashed was the Union negotiated health care plans.  The Unions negotiated for the State to buy health insurance from the Union itself, grossly overpriced for what was provided in order to create a slush fund for the Union leadership.  By getting out of this corrupt arraingement school districts have been able to increase spending on actual education.

There isn't $1.85 billion in health care costs for Wisconsin teachers. 
And no, the school districts have not increased spending on "actual" education, what with the voucher program eliminating $71 million to Milwaukee public schools alone.  But that's where all the niggers live, so it's OK.

If it is necessary to cut so much from the Wisconsin educational system, then it is definitely critical that they get the teachers unions out of the power to call the shots on how those cuts happen.

After all, the teachers union does not represent students. They represent teachers. They are not there to protect the interests of students, but to make sure that those who pay them are shielded from any cuts.

The idea that teachers unions have anything other than a very passing interest in supporting education beyond their own pay and benefits is spurious. You don't need a union to advocate for education. You do need one to organize trading votes for higher salaries and bennies.