It's morning in Wisconsin

[garbon]

Democrats aren't in this business to make money.

Well they do a great job of it.  Since when have the Democrats had troubles fund raising?  They seem to do alright.

Indeed. Just recently there was an article lauding Nancy Pelosi's fundraising efforts.

[Valmy]

And even if one party did take total control history shows it will just split again.  Vote Neo-Whig!

[Berkut]

I'll say the same thing I said when the shit originally hit the fan.  Public employee unions are bad, but crony capitalism is worse.  If the cost of crushing the first is to further empower the second, it's a bad trade.  It's like supporting Nazis to combat communism.

Well, in this case there isn't anyone else to combat the communists. It's not like the Dems are going to take on the unions, right?

I am glad Walker stomped on the public service unions. His being supported by the "we all should get as much democracy as we can buy" crowd is pretty distasteful, but that doesn't change the fact that I think what he has done on this issue is a good thing. I don't accept that even if "crony capitalism" is worse, it is somehow connected to public service unions. I can and am happy to be against both of them (at least I think I am - I suspect "crony capitalism" doesn't really mean anything though).

It is connected because the two are moneyed interests at odds with each other.  If you destroy one, the other one gets more power.  You seem to think, almost to the point of assumption, that unions are the worst evil, and should be defeated regardless of who you have to ally with.

What the really cool thing is, and what makes guys like Berkut jizz their teabags, is how Republicans can use public policy to outlaw and eliminated the only organizations that actively support Democratic campaigns with money, while Democrats have no equal ability to legislate away the corporations and special interests groups that fund Republican campaigns.

So while guys like Walker can use legislation to virtually eliminate the AFSCME in one year, unfortunately a Democratic governor can't use public policy to legislate away American Crossroads.

And in the world of Citizens United, the only campaign money left will be Republican money.  Yay.

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

[CountDeMoney]

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

Arguing with you about the use of unions preserving workplace conditions and benefits is useless with your Libertarian let-em-find-their-own-retirement-in-the-wild ass, anyway.

So yeah, the bigger picture here is about the equilibrium of the political system.

[CountDeMoney]

Democrats aren't in this business to make money.

Well they do a great job of it.  Since when have the Democrats had troubles fund raising?  They seem to do alright.

They're trailing astronomically in the SuperPAC race, and you know it.

[garbon]

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

Arguing with you about the use of unions preserving workplace conditions and benefits is useless with your Libertarian let-em-find-their-own-retirement-in-the-wild ass, anyway.

So yeah, the bigger picture here is about the equilibrium of the political system.

Are workplace conditions deteriorating?

[Razgovory]

Democrats aren't in this business to make money.

Well they do a great job of it.  Since when have the Democrats had troubles fund raising?  They seem to do alright.

You missed the point.  They aren't taking causes of the richest people out there.

[Berkut]

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

Arguing with you about the use of unions preserving workplace conditions and benefits is useless with your Libertarian let-em-find-their-own-retirement-in-the-wild ass, anyway.

So yeah, the bigger picture here is about the equilibrium of the political system.

Right, so the issue is about protecting the system of using Unions to circumvent the political process. Gotcha.

Good riddance - double good riddance in fact.

We get rid of the problem of not being able to afford to ridiculously over-pay a minority of the population, AND the problem that in return for being over-payed, they agree to politically support those willing to overpay them the most.

[derspiess]

I dislike walker but loathe Ed Schultz and MSNBC. So a victory for me last night as Fatty had a look on his face that made me giggle.

Who would you rather see naked in your pool;  Ed Schultz or Martin Brashir?  It's Marty, isn't it?  It's the accent.

Sharpton.

Good choice.  He's lost weight, you know.

RESIST WE MUCH

[Razgovory]

And even if one party did take total control history shows it will just split again.  Vote Neo-Whig!

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

[Hansmeister]

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

Arguing with you about the use of unions preserving workplace conditions and benefits is useless with your Libertarian let-em-find-their-own-retirement-in-the-wild ass, anyway.

So yeah, the bigger picture here is about the equilibrium of the political system.

And the "equilibrium" is best preserved by forcing workers to subsidize one side against their will?  Yeah, that's a vote of confidence in your side. 

I guess to preserve democracy we have to force people to associate with one party against their will.

[Razgovory]

Ahhh, so this isn't about the employees of the unions at all, but about preserving the power of unions to get your favorite politicians elected.

The irony of this being cast as a battle for the principles of democracy is really quite amusing.

Arguing with you about the use of unions preserving workplace conditions and benefits is useless with your Libertarian let-em-find-their-own-retirement-in-the-wild ass, anyway.

So yeah, the bigger picture here is about the equilibrium of the political system.

And the "equilibrium" is best preserved by forcing workers to subsidize one side against their will?  Yeah, that's a vote of confidence in your side. 

I guess to preserve democracy we have to force people to associate with one party against their will.

Wait, are you talking about Unions or Corporations?

[Hansmeister]

"The idea that Scott Walker did not know what was going on in a ten person office ... is absurd. It's not believable," Zielinski said

Gots to prove it.

If I remember right Walker reported the crime in the first place and prosecutors have already said that Walker is not a target of the investigation.

I was wondering why Seedy sounds more and more retarded, now we know that he gets his news from MSNBC.

[CountDeMoney]

Right, so the issue is about protecting the system of using Unions to circumvent the political process. Gotcha.

Good riddance - double good riddance in fact.

We get rid of the problem of not being able to afford to ridiculously over-pay a minority of the population, AND the problem that in return for being over-payed, they agree to politically support those willing to overpay them the most.

How do unions circumvent the political process?  Political contributions are legal, aren't they?

[garbon]

And even if one party did take total control history shows it will just split again.  Vote Neo-Whig!

Oh boy.  One group of Republicans and another group of Republicans.  That sounds like lots of fun.

Yes because everyone in America will be forced to become a Republican.