Civil Unrest in Quebec

[Oexmelin]

Like so many of your "facts", it's anything but. I know of no professors who do not do research, or write, in the meantime, because few professors are tied to their offices, labs are not closed, and neither are libraries. And no one is happy that they are going to work crazy hours when (if) the semester starts again in August.

[viper37]

It just went downhill very fast - both due to the government's bad faith and the student bodies' intransigent attitude.

actually, the more the strike goes on, the more popular the government is.  They have nothing to lose.

[viper37]

The law was followed - until they voted Bill 78. Because of this faulty law, it has become civil disobedience because people fundamentally disagree with the spirit and the letter of the law. It's not like we have guns pulled and we are in apprehended insurrection, people march in the street and deliberately refuse to give their route to the police.

Bullshit.  Breaking windows is not part of the law.  Throwing rocks at windows of a house and car you believe belong to a journalist is not following the law.  Throwing billard balls at other protesters to make it look like they where it by plastic bullets is not following the law.  Intimidating teachers and staff into not coming to work is not following the law.  Vandalizing colleges&universities is no following the law.  Redoing a vote again&again&again&again until you obtain the desired result and then declaring you need a 2/3 majority to reverse it is not following the law.  Throwing bricks and asphalt pieces at cops is not following the law.  Putting cars on fire or generally thrashing police cars is not following the law.

You are giving in to bullying.  Don't complain about the corrupt liberals when you support the corrupt unions way of doing things.

And besides, Bill 78 has not been applied yet.  Only Montreal's law against masked protesters.

[viper37]

Fuck their laws. We'll respect then when they are made for legitimate reasons & not just to stay in power.

I did not vote for them to enact laws of repression that go against our constitution either.

then you should quit your job and riot all the time, all day long.

[viper37]

You sure about that?  Quebec/Montreal has no laws about protest permits and approved areas?

Protesters are supposed to give warning to the police, but it was not applied.  And there were no penalties for this either before bill 78.

Not even close.  If the provincial government is breaking a higher law, then presumably your court system will correct it.

So simple isn't it?  But in the twisted logic of the anarcho-communists, the court system is totally corrupt and under the direct influence of the Liberal Party and the mafia (but not the unions who get a free pass for everything).

[viper37]

This process is ongoing, right now. And hundreds of lawyers are offering their services pro bono to help the student bodies, and even the Barreau du Québec has officially spoken against that law.

You are twisting the facts.  All of this happened before the amendments.  There has been no comments by the Barreau about the law after it was voted in its final form.

[viper37]

The FTQ is just as corrupt and the government, if not more.  When did the students refuse their money?

Combat fire with fire - without the Large Unions' backing the movement would have foundered.   

Hmmm I'm beginning to wonder if the Unions don't want to get rid of the Liberals before the Corruption Hearings get in full swing...  A PQ government would naturally be more lenient towards them when their very real ties with the mafia are brought to light.



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and everyone here is falling for this.

[viper37]

Like so many of your "facts", it's anything but. I know of no professors who do not do research, or write, in the meantime, because few professors are tied to their offices, labs are not closed, and neither are libraries. And no one is happy that they are going to work crazy hours when (if) the semester starts again in August.

about 20% of your tasks are devoted to education.  Something you don't do right now if your university is on strike and you refuse or can't go inside.

If you can't cross the picket line, you can't access to your office, where you will have access to entire libraries of virtual published documents.

There is a difference between being a victim of a situation and approving of the situation even supporting it.

When teachers say they will invoke WHS laws to NOT work, I believe they should not be paid.  This at best, cowardice, at worst, an attemp to get free pay without working.  Unless we're not talking about peaceful protests, after all...

As for the long hours, it remains to be seen if teachers won't get compensation in some form or another.  I wouldn't be surprised to hear more from the teachers unions in the coming weeks.

[Valmy]

Um I highly doubt anybody here uncritically accepts whatever Grallon has to say.  Unless you mean here as in Quebec.

[viper37]

Um I highly doubt anybody here uncritically accepts whatever Grallon has to say.  Unless you mean here as in Quebec.

The Quebecers of this forum who are overwhelmingly supportive of the student riots.  Only Oex has not posted about it, so I don't know what he thinks.
Though I have had discussion with some of his colleagues, and they think the same as Drakken and GF.

[Oexmelin]

There is a difference between being a victim of a situation and approving of the situation even supporting it.

Yes. There are many differences, in myriads of shades and tint. But these seem to be lost on you.

[Oexmelin]

The Quebecers of this forum who are overwhelmingly supportive of the student riots.  Only Oex has not posted about it, so I don't know what he thinks.

I have rather decided to invest some time in forums (i.e., not internet) where it matters.

[viper37]

There is a difference between being a victim of a situation and approving of the situation even supporting it.

Yes. There are many differences, in myriads of shades and tint. But these seem to be lost on you.

I am talking specifically about the teachers who came in support of the student's strike, those that refuse to obey the court orders, those who protest with the students or organize protests themselves without warning the police of their intentions (like in Quebec city, wich resulted in a lot of students being fined after the teacher called for "an extreme act of civil disobediance") and those who find all kind of excuses for the vandalism and the violence of the protesters.

I thought I was clear enough in my first post, seems I wasn't.
I expect neutrality from the teachers (and other university staff).

[Valmy]

I have rather decided to invest some time in forums (i.e., not internet) where it matters.

This kind of thinking will kill Languish for sure

[Grey Fox]

Fuck their laws. We'll respect then when they are made for legitimate reasons & not just to stay in power.

I did not vote for them to enact laws of repression that go against our constitution either.

then you should quit your job and riot all the time, all day long.

I prefer to stay on the sidelines, thank you very much. Plus, I'm old now.