Wells Fargo fires employee for '72 shoplifting conviction

Started by jimmy olsen, May 07, 2012, 05:22:24 PM

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Is this firing Just?

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jimmy olsen

#120
May 10, 2012, 04:32:43 AM
Quote from: Caliga on May 09, 2012, 09:58:51 PMIt's not a problem for most people, since most people are not convicted felons.  It also seems to me like it's a good way to encourage people to not commit felonies, if the word on the street is that employers do not like to hire criminals and all that.

We don't even know if it was a felony. It's more likely it was a misdemeanor.
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11B4V

#121
May 10, 2012, 04:35:16 AM
She didn't disclose it. WF can call it deception on her part and say, "Next". Her fault she didnt disclose it.

"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

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The Larch

#122
May 10, 2012, 04:36:09 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 04:35:16 AM
She didn't disclose it. WF can call it deception on her part and say, "Next". Her fault she didnt disclose it.

She shouldn't have to, nobody should be asking her that.

Syt

#123
May 10, 2012, 04:39:34 AM
In Germany and Austria a central federal register records your convictions. It's not unusual for prospective employees to request a recent copy (you have to request it, but it's sent to employer - though you have a right to know what's recorded).

However, there's rules based on type of conviction and severity of punishment how long something stays on the (publicly available)record; e.g. sexual crimes have a longer expiry period).
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11B4V

#124
May 10, 2012, 04:41:32 AM
Quote from: The Larch on May 10, 2012, 04:36:09 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 04:35:16 AM
She didn't disclose it. WF can call it deception on her part and say, "Next". Her fault she didnt disclose it.

She shouldn't have to, nobody should be asking her that.

Bullshit.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

#125
May 10, 2012, 04:43:41 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 10, 2012, 04:39:34 AM
In Germany and Austria a central federal register records your convictions. It's not unusual for prospective employees to request a recent copy (you have to request it, but it's sent to employer - though you have a right to know what's recorded).

However, there's rules based on type of conviction and severity of punishment how long something stays on the (publicly available)record; e.g. sexual crimes have a longer expiry period).

That's nice and seems like a good system. The issue is not whether she shoplifted 30 years ago, it's that she didnt disclose it. Deception by omission.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

11B4V

#126
May 10, 2012, 04:49:49 AM
Quote6. Have you ever been convicted* of any crime involving dishonesty; breach of trust; fraud; theft; money laundering; or illegal manufacture, sale, distribution of, or trafficking in controlled substances

No time limit and a legit question.

If she'd disclosed it she may have had a job. Her oversight was someone elses windfall.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

DGuller

#127
May 10, 2012, 05:10:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 04:49:49 AM
If she'd disclosed it she may have had a job. Her oversight was someone elses windfall.
:frusty: No, she may not have, she would be automatically disqualified.

11B4V

#128
May 10, 2012, 05:14:12 AM Last Edit: May 10, 2012, 05:39:23 AM by 11B4V
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 05:10:06 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 04:49:49 AM
If she'd disclosed it she may have had a job. Her oversight was someone elses windfall.
:frusty: No, she may not have, she would be automatically disqualified.

Maybe, maybe not. At any rate, she was dishonset and on her way back to the Filipino "Boom, Boom" house.

Quote"I paid for it. I've changed my life."


I sure you did. Apparently not, you're still dishonest.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

DGuller

#129
May 10, 2012, 05:42:46 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Maybe, maybe not. At any rate, she was dishonset and on her way back to the Filipino "Boom, Boom" house.
There is no maybe about it.  It was a federal law, not an employment policy.  Did you follow this discussion at all?

11B4V

#130
May 10, 2012, 05:45:55 AM Last Edit: May 10, 2012, 05:49:37 AM by 11B4V
Quote from: DGuller on May 10, 2012, 05:42:46 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Maybe, maybe not. At any rate, she was dishonset and on her way back to the Filipino "Boom, Boom" house.
There is no maybe about it.  It was a federal law, not an employment policy.  Did you follow this discussion at all?

Yea, you didnt see the pics I posted for Ed?

Her loss. She's dishonest.
"there's a long tradition of insulting people we disagree with here, and I'll be damned if I listen to your entreaties otherwise."-OVB

"Obviously not a Berkut-commanded armored column.  They're not all brewing."- CdM

"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

CountDeMoney

#131
May 10, 2012, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on May 10, 2012, 05:14:12 AM
Quote"I paid for it. I've changed my life."

I sure you did. Apparently not, you're still dishonest.

:lol: 

Ed Anger

#132
May 10, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
Re: The tat pics:

GROSS
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CountDeMoney

#133
May 10, 2012, 08:34:40 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on May 10, 2012, 08:34:13 AM
Re: The tat pics:

GROSS

Motion seconded.

PDH

#134
May 10, 2012, 08:39:30 AM
Oh Larchy, mocking US employment practices from a Spanish viewpoint  :D
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