Kurtz versus Lucas

[Neil]

I disagree there, Darth Maul had to die. What was he going to do, Kill Qui Gong and then run away when, now, he was only fighting Obi Wan? It's Luke that escapes in the original movies, not darth vader.

Nonsense.
Part of the attraction to Vader is that he had 3 films to develop a true identity of baddie evhulness.
Darth Maul would've been an awesome baddie to continue to develop over time.  Alas, he was a cookie cut-out.

Aw come on. Vaders baddie evhulness cred is established within 60 seconds of him first appearing on screen. Maul has a full scene of exposition where he is "commanded" to go after our heros.

No shit.  Vader is large and in charge, tossing around some rebel soldier like he was made of pillowfluff, and the Imperial troops defer to him.  Maul, on the other hand, just walks around and is talked to.  Maul definitely had potential, but the construction of his scenes turned him into a bitch.

[Ed Anger]

What does DSB do?

Works plastic.

[CountDeMoney]

No shit.  Vader is large and in charge, tossing around some rebel soldier like he was made of pillowfluff, and the Imperial troops defer to him.  Maul, on the other hand, just walks around and is talked to.  Maul definitely had potential, but the construction of his scenes turned him into a bitch.

Of course it did;  after all, this was from the guy that brought you Boba Fett's Death By Bitch.

[DontSayBanana]

What does DSB do?

Works plastic.

Plastic discs.

Nah, I work a music store.

[Ideologue]

Oh, yeah, and I'm paid to use my legal expertise to help litigate a major consumer lawsuit.

[Baron von Schtinkenbutt]

Nope.  Totally sucked. 

Could've been great on two premises:  kept Darth Maul around for the series, and actually made Anakin something other than a whiny little emo cutter fuck.

And filming the massacre of all the little Jeditos at the temple would've been cool.

Alas, we were stuck with a teenage romance, with all the drama of 6th period study hall.

It would have been better if Lucas had actually used backstory material from the Expanded Universe instead of shitting on the whole lot and making things up.

[garbon]

Because the expanded universe wasn't made up?

[CountDeMoney]

[viper37]

The first three movies were supposed to answer the question of how Anakin the good guy (as described by Alec Guiness in A New Hope) became Vader the bad guy. It didn't answer that question satisfactory to any level of credulity.

teenager, totally not in control of his emotions, loses his mother to a band of savages, proceed on killing said savages, feels pleasure about this, yet it is contrary to all he is told.  Now, he's told the right thing is to let is girlfriend die, he doesn't like it one bit, finally snaps.

Beats becoming a psycho after a wolf bite anytime of the day, imho.

[viper37]

Jake Lloyd gets to be a little kid and Hayden Christensen gets to be an emo teen.

Hayden Christensen kept on being an actor after these sub-par performances.  That surprised me.

[Syt]

The only other movie I've seen Christensen in is a flick he did before Ep. 2. In it he plays Kevin Kline's emo teenage son.

[viper37]

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0159789/

[Neil]

Jake Lloyd gets to be a little kid and Hayden Christensen gets to be an emo teen.

Hayden Christensen kept on being an actor after these sub-par performances.  That surprised me.

You can't blame the kid.  Lucas made everyone involved in the prequels seem retarded.  Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson.  Nobody came out looking like a winner in those things.

[Syt]

Jake Lloyd gets to be a little kid and Hayden Christensen gets to be an emo teen.

Hayden Christensen kept on being an actor after these sub-par performances.  That surprised me.

You can't blame the kid.  Lucas made everyone involved in the prequels seem retarded.  Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson.  Nobody came out looking like a winner in those things.

Oddly enough, Ian McDiarmid gave the IMHO best performance in the prequels. Up till the "transformation" scene after which he turned the ham up to eleventy-eleven.