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Started by CountDeMoney, April 12, 2012, 09:35:41 PM

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Viking

#30
April 13, 2012, 06:12:53 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 12, 2012, 09:36:35 PM
My God, can you imagine the train wreck Apocalypse Now would've been if Lucas had directed it?

"Mr Clean's My first Bong (weed not included)" toy set as merchandise. Weed would have been made legal decades ago.
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#31
April 13, 2012, 07:30:49 AM
Chef's Severed Head Playset?
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CountDeMoney

#32
April 13, 2012, 07:31:41 AM
Quote from: Neil on April 13, 2012, 07:30:49 AM
Chef's Severed Head Playset?

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#33
April 13, 2012, 08:22:34 AM
Return of the Jedi should have forced Luke to decide between taking control of the Empire, destroying the Empire (but also Tatooine for some reason), and turning into a pie. Only this would have reflected the fact that you cannot have a true victory where everyone celebrates a triumph over evil because it's art, man.

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#34
April 13, 2012, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 13, 2012, 06:07:47 AM
I was 14.  It was enough to wreck my childhood.

Most people are well into adolescence by 14.  :P Though some of us never leave it.  :blush:
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April 13, 2012, 10:22:44 AM Last Edit: April 13, 2012, 02:09:16 PM by Razgovory
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 13, 2012, 06:07:47 AM
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I like the ewoks,

Go fuck yourself and your teddy bears.

Not my fault you were too old to appreciate it when it came out.


I was 14.  It was enough to wreck my childhood.

Grumbler felt the same way when the Aeneid came out.
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DontSayBanana

#36
April 13, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
Actually, this is making me look at the way I've defended Jedi, and it's making me realize that I've been defending it on the merits of some cherrypicked parts- the rescue at Jabba's palace, the space battle (ignoring the giant "PART 2" hovering over the whole thing), the showdown when we weren't sure if one or two people would make it out of the throne room, or which ones it would be...

Also, I suspect Leia getting shot in the arm was probably the point where Han was supposed to bite it.  In retrospect, it was kind of OOC for Leia to be hanging out in the open, firing off her gun, while Han was cowering behind the door frame.

Long story short, if I stop and look at it objectively, Jedi had a lot of potential, but it was strung together with a lot of weak, fanwanky filler (Death Star 2, Ewoks, Line to Nowhere about "Many Bothans died to bring you this information...").  I'm usually more a fan of happy endings, but Jedi's did feel contrived (Luke spent the whole movie alienating everyone just to get pulled back in to the party?  WTF?).
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#37
April 13, 2012, 10:53:17 AM
In his defense Lucas did fix Return of the Jedi some years later.
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#38
April 13, 2012, 10:55:56 AM
Well yeah it was not like Jedi did not have some great scenes.  Darth Vader arriving at the new Deathstar at the beginning was just awesome.  But as a film it was pretty weak because it failed on the basics of story telling, the very things they did so well in the first two films.

I was like at some point Lucas was just like 'plot arcs, characters, writing, bah who needs em'.  While it was annoying in Jedi it still had the characters we had grown to love from the first two films so overall it was an enjoyable film.  But man those problems came back in spades in the prequels and this time there was no solid foundation that had us invested to save it....as a good films anyway.  As a revenue generating franchise the prequels were brilliantly marketed, particularly with all the toys and video games and all that noise, and a huge success.
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#39
April 13, 2012, 11:10:37 AM
If Lucas had had complete creative control and mountains of money to do whatever he wanted back in '77 the original Star Wars would have turned out a lot like the prequels, which is to say like absolute shit. Thank god Lucas was surrounded by people who actually knew how to make movies back then.

Anyway, the Red Letter media dudes interviewed Alexander Phillipe, the guy who made the film documentary "The People vs. George Lucas" referred to in the article. It's a pretty interesting discussion about the films and George Lucas as a director. Here's the link.
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CountDeMoney

#40
April 13, 2012, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on April 13, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
Actually, this is making me look at the way I've defended Jedi, and it's making me realize that I've been defending it on the merits of some cherrypicked parts- the rescue at Jabba's palace, the space battle (ignoring the giant "PART 2" hovering over the whole thing), the showdown when we weren't sure if one or two people would make it out of the throne room, or which ones it would be...

Oh, please...the thing with those movies was exactly that:  so goody-goody, you knew exactly how it was going to unfold.  You knew Luke would survive, the Emperor would fail, and Vader would find salvation.

QuoteAlso, I suspect Leia getting shot in the arm was probably the point where Han was supposed to bite it.  In retrospect, it was kind of OOC for Leia to be hanging out in the open, firing off her gun, while Han was cowering behind the door frame.

Any gunslinger worth his salt knows you take cover.  Too bad her ass didn't learn that in fucking princess school.

QuoteLong story short, if I stop and look at it objectively, Jedi had a lot of potential, but it was strung together with a lot of weak, fanwanky filler (Death Star 2, Ewoks, Line to Nowhere about "Many Bothans died to bring you this information...").  I'm usually more a fan of happy endings, but Jedi's did feel contrived (Luke spent the whole movie alienating everyone just to get pulled back in to the party?  WTF?).

The Jews didn't win at Jerusalem in 71AD, the the Spartans didn't win at Thermopylae, and Teddy Bears don't win against an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.

Syt

#41
April 13, 2012, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 13, 2012, 11:25:36 AM
QuoteAlso, I suspect Leia getting shot in the arm was probably the point where Han was supposed to bite it.  In retrospect, it was kind of OOC for Leia to be hanging out in the open, firing off her gun, while Han was cowering behind the door frame.

Any gunslinger worth his salt knows you take cover.  Too bad her ass didn't learn that in fucking princess school.

Also, she was completely coked up and probably thought she was invincible.
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Syt

#42
April 13, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
Also, I've recently watched the Star Wars XXX Parody. It was surprisingly funny.

"Your father was the best starpilot in the galaxy."
"My uncle said he was a psychotic whiner."
"And the best starpilot!"
"How did my father die?"
"He was killed by Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine, until I cut his arms and legs off and left him burning in lava . . . "
". . . I want to go home now."
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CountDeMoney

#43
April 13, 2012, 11:38:12 AM
Quote from: Syt on April 13, 2012, 11:34:10 AM
"He was killed by Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine, until I cut his arms and legs off and left him burning in lava . . . "

And that's why you don't do prequels unless you know what you're talking about.

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FunkMonk

#44
April 13, 2012, 11:45:06 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 13, 2012, 11:25:36 AM
Oh, please...the thing with those movies was exactly that:  so goody-goody, you knew exactly how it was going to unfold.  You knew Luke would survive, the Emperor would fail, and Vader would find salvation.

The throne room throwdown was easily the best part of the film, and belongs right up there with the Trench Run and Luke v. Vader Part 1.
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