Should voters be required to show photo ID?

[crazy canuck]

I guess they at least prove citizenship though, which is what the Texas law is trying to do.

This could be a difference in our systems, but surely the point you deal with eligibility to vote is when you're registering to vote, not when you're at the polling station?

[Fate]

Why are GOPtards against a national ID card but love photo ID?

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

You're against a national ID card because then we could make sure that poor people have their IDs if it's on a federal level. Jesusland can get away with suppressing the negros and wetbacks if it remains a state matter.

[Berkut]

Why are GOPtards against a national ID card but love photo ID?

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

That sounds great and all, but since there is basically no actual evidence of meaningful voter fraud taking place, one has to wonder what the actual motives might be...

[CountDeMoney]

Why are GOPtards against a national ID card but love photo ID?

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

By all means, please show the live studio audience the sheer number of convictions in US Federal court of voter fraud, worth 5 years imprisonment and a $10,000 fine per offense.

[Valmy]

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

Um if somebody is motivated enough to do voter fraud before why wouldn't they continue it?  They could just make false IDs.  This does however make it harder for legitimate voters to vote, and will probably cost the public money to introduce, so it should be done with some reflection about the unintended consequences.

[Fate]

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

Um if somebody is motivated enough to do voter fraud before why wouldn't they continue it?  They could just make false IDs.  This does however make it harder for legitimate voters to vote, and will probably cost the public money to introduce, so it should be done with some reflection about the unintended consequences.

Less black and Hispanic citizens will vote after the law is enacted so it's more than worth the public cost.

[Admiral Yi]

You're against a national ID card because then we could make sure that poor people have their IDs if it's on a federal level. Jesusland can get away with suppressing the negros and wetbacks if it remains a state matter.

So you're in favor of a national ID?

[Sheilbh]

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

There's always a balance to be struck between adding enough security to prevent fraud and causing needless hassle for voters.  I think the more hassle you add the more evidence you need that there's a fraud problem that it fixes.  Otherwise you're, at best, fixing something that ain't broken.

A Continental style national ID card would get around this though.  It could have all the information you wanted (address, citizenship and more) and would be compulsory to have and to carry so it wouldn't cause any extra cost or hassle to the voter.

[Valmy]

If they introduced something like that I would want to volunteer for an election just so I could look sternly at people and say 'papers please'.

[CountDeMoney]

We don't like voter fraud.  Didn't know that was such a partisan position to take.

Um if somebody is motivated enough to do voter fraud before why wouldn't they continue it?  They could just make false IDs.  This does however make it harder for legitimate voters to vote, and will probably cost the public money to introduce, so it should be done with some reflection about the unintended consequences.

"I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year."
--Wally O'Dell, Chairman & CEO, Diebold*, 2003



*Yes, the very same Diebold that makes paper-less, audit-less touchscreen voting machines used in elections.



And people want to fuck around over the myth of voter fraud without fucking photo IDs.

[Admiral Yi]

"I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President next year."
--Wally O'Dell, Chairman & CEO, Diebold*, 2003



*Yes, the very same Diebold that makes paper-less, audit-less touchscreen voting machines used in elections.



And people want to fuck around over the myth of voter fraud without fucking photo IDs.

By all means, please show the live studio audience the sheer number of convictions in US Federal court of [electoral] fraud [by Diebold].

[dps]

So what's wrong with waltzing in, saying who you are and at what address, they tick you off their voter roll/registration and you go and cast your ballot ? 

Nothing, but OTOH, I'd hate to show up to vote and not be allowed to because someone else showed up earlier claiming to be me and being told I'd already voted when I know that I hadn't.

[CountDeMoney]

By all means, please show the live studio audience the sheer number of convictions in US Federal court of [electoral] fraud [by Diebold].

There's a difference between voter fraud and election misconduct.

And machines that tallied up 9,000 votes for the Socialist candidate, and Al Gore -19,000 in Volusia County. 

[crazy canuck]

So what's wrong with waltzing in, saying who you are and at what address, they tick you off their voter roll/registration and you go and cast your ballot ? 

Nothing, but OTOH, I'd hate to show up to vote and not be allowed to because someone else showed up earlier claiming to be me and being told I'd already voted when I know that I hadn't.

But that is fixed by simply requiring that people bring their voter registration card.  You hand that to the nice old lady who takes your card, ticks off your name and hands you a ballot.

No fuss no muss.

[Admiral Yi]

There's a difference between voter fraud and election misconduct.

Please elaborate.