Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

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Razgovory

#675
April 04, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
I would assume so.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#676
April 04, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
I would assume so.

No need to assume anything.  The iron-clad laws of deduction tell us unequivocally that he does.

fhdz

#677
April 04, 2012, 05:13:08 PM
 :lol:
and the horse you rode in on

Razgovory

#678
April 04, 2012, 06:09:22 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 05:02:55 PM
I would assume so.

No need to assume anything.  The iron-clad laws of deduction tell us unequivocally that he does.

Which makes him taking exception to one doctored tape all the more puzzling.  Why would he be unhappy with one and not the other?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#679
April 04, 2012, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 06:09:22 PM
Which makes him taking exception to one doctored tape all the more puzzling.  Why would he be unhappy with one and not the other?

:o Damn, good point.  Maybe we discard the entire hypothesis and start from scratch.

Have we already established that he was happy with one doctored video?

DGuller

#680
April 04, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Quote from: Jacob on April 04, 2012, 03:18:25 PM
So did you guys hear about the marine vet who got shot by police in his own home because his medical alert bracelet malfunctioned?

Seems outlandish: http://boingboing.net/2012/04/03/black-marine-veteran-68-shot.html
The cops certainly took care of that medical emergency.

grumbler

#681
April 04, 2012, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2012, 06:20:09 PM
:o Damn, good point.  Maybe we discard the entire hypothesis and start from scratch.

Have we already established that he was happy with one doctored video?
:lol:  Best turned-tables exchange here in a long, long time.

Bravo.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

grumbler

#682
April 04, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 04, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
The cops certainly took care of that medical emergency.

Yeah, it is a weird story.  We don't have many facts that count when it comes to possible police misconduct, though.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

DGuller

#683
April 04, 2012, 07:04:42 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 04, 2012, 06:53:38 PM
Quote from: DGuller on April 04, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
The cops certainly took care of that medical emergency.

Yeah, it is a weird story.  We don't have many facts that count when it comes to possible police misconduct, though.
This is the problem with police Omerta.  A cop can line up a random person on the street against a wall, execute him with a shot to the back of the head, and his colleagues on the scene would all claim that the executed guy was grabbing for the cop's gun or something.  Therefore, you can't ever trust a police account, even though I'm sure (or I sincerely hope) that the vast majority of the time, nothing fishy happened.  I can't ever recall a case of uncovered police misconduct, whether it involved killing someone or roughing the person up, that didn't include a number of false statements by cops that intended to cover it up.

Razgovory

#684
April 04, 2012, 07:31:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 04, 2012, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 04, 2012, 06:09:22 PM
Which makes him taking exception to one doctored tape all the more puzzling.  Why would he be unhappy with one and not the other?

:o Damn, good point.  Maybe we discard the entire hypothesis and start from scratch.

Have we already established that he was happy with one doctored video?

Indeed.

Quote
I'll admit that I liked the Acorn video (did Breitbart edit those??).  But tell me more about how I liked the Shirley Sherrod thing.

So yes.  We have.

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#685
April 04, 2012, 07:33:33 PM
I do remember something about 10 seconds being cut from the ACORN video, but I thought most people agreed that those missing 10 seconds didn't affect much of anything.

Razgovory

#686
April 04, 2012, 07:41:34 PM
QuoteThe videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms.Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A comparison of the publicly available transcripts2 to the released videos confirms that large portions of the
original video have been omitted from the released versions. To date, the videographers have declined or ignored our interview requests

http://www.proskauer.com/files/uploads/report2.pdf

I can post other links as well, but this should be sufficient.  Now why do you suppose derspeiss was okay with one and not another?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#687
April 04, 2012, 07:49:11 PM
Yeah, a report from a PR firm hired by ACORN is pretty damning.

Speesh: BUSTED.

Razgovory

#688
April 04, 2012, 07:51:43 PM
I think it was a law firm hired to do an internal investigation.  Would you like more sources or do you want to concede the point and move on?
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

#689
April 04, 2012, 07:57:58 PM
If you have any impartial sources I wouldn't mind seeing them.
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