Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[crazy canuck]

No, he's not.  At least in terms of the Castle Doctrine, it has to do with property rights, which is very much a key principle in Conservatism.

I dunno, everything I'm hearing makes me think Florida's going Wild West.  Hell, as I currently understand SYG, "I Shot the Sheriff" would end after the line "I swear it was in self-defense."

This thread is delivering on the references.

[Phillip V]

'If I Had a Son,' Obama Says, He'd Look Like Trayvon Martin

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/obama-makes-first-comments-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

[Caliga]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

[Valmy]

It's not too late Obama!  Have your wife murdered and then find a 16-year-old...

ah fuck I have been playing too much CK2.

[Valmy]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

How did the castle doctrine enter into this?

[CountDeMoney]

I'd say skittles are more dangerous than an argument or a drunk, unarmed and lost man.
You could choke someone if you crammed them down their throat!

The "Taste the Rainbow" Doctrine can't touch the sheer lethality and statutory immunity of the "Mentos, the Freshmaker" Doctrine.

[Caliga]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

How did the castle doctrine enter into this?

I don't know.

[derspiess]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

How did the castle doctrine enter into this?

It has been mentioned a few times in the thread.

[CountDeMoney]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

How did the castle doctrine enter into this?

I don't know.

What if they're on your property, yet trying to burn the property of someone else, e.g., a car?  What then, Doc Holiday?

[Jacob]

No, he's not.  At least in terms of the Castle Doctrine, it has to do with property rights, which is very much a key principle in Conservatism.

I dunno, everything I'm hearing makes me think Florida's going Wild West.  Hell, as I currently understand SYG, "I Shot the Sheriff" would end after the line "I swear it was in self-defense."

[KRonn]

In Kentucky,  another castle doctrine state, you can legally kill a trespasser on your own property if you catch them in the act of committing arson.

How did the castle doctrine enter into this?

I don't know.

What if they're on your property, yet trying to burn the property of someone else, e.g., a car?  What then, Doc Holiday?

Then I suppose it's legal to shoot the arsonist, and the people with the car on your property, especially if the car is there without your permission?   

[Razgovory]

'If I Had a Son,' Obama Says, He'd Look Like Trayvon Martin

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/23/obama-makes-first-comments-on-trayvon-martin-shooting/

Kids ears aren't that big. 

[Neil]

Neil is right in saying that this has very little to do with the principles of conservatism, but everything to do with the frontier mentality of the Wild West. That's why your justice system is so different from pretty much every other Western nation.

No, he's not.  At least in terms of the Castle Doctrine, it has to do with property rights, which is very much a key principle in Conservatism.

We're not talking about the Castle doctrine, and even if we were, that has nothing to do with property rights so much as it does creating a climate of fear.

[The Minsky Moment]

I think this mentality that derspiess is exhibiting is rooted in the "outlaw" concept that is pretty much rejected in modern criminal justice system. I.e. he believes that someone who breaks the law (e.g. by stealing something) becomes a fair game for someone to shoot him down or stab to death.

Neil is right in saying that this has very little to do with the principles of conservatism, but everything to do with the frontier mentality of the Wild West. That's why your justice system is so different from pretty much every other Western nation.

I blame Europe.  All this mischief is happening because folks who used to be decent Amurricans are importing fancy "doctrines" into statutes and having judges rule on them instead of juries, like a bunch of Romanophile civil law trained Poles.

[The Minsky Moment]

Hell, as I currently understand SYG, "I Shot the Sheriff" would end after the line "I swear it was in self-defense."

It would be worth it if I never had to hear Bob Dylan sing "Hurricane"