Trayvon Martin case: use of Stand Your Ground law or pursuit of a black teen?

[Ed Anger]

[derspiess]

I guess I never had to deal with any strong father types with any of the girls I dated.  Butted heads with some overbearing mothers, but that's about it.

[Neil]

I fail to see the societal benefit in making it easier for citizens to blow away other citizens.

"Conservatives"

Believe it or not, allowing the citizenry to slaughter each other in order to create an atmosphere of fear isn't a bedrock principle of conservatism.

[Sheilbh]

How could you stops gangs using this law?

[katmai]

How could you stops gangs using this law?

That is what the local DA argued in front of Alaskan legislature on the proposed state law.

[CountDeMoney]

I fail to see the societal benefit in making it easier for citizens to blow away other citizens.

"Conservatives"

Believe it or not, allowing the citizenry to slaughter each other in order to create an atmosphere of fear isn't a bedrock principle of conservatism.

I don't know;  since this law was passed, homicides ruled as justifiable homicides in the state of Florida have tripled.  So maybe it is.

[Razgovory]

you are mixing metaphors

there is nothing absurd about the law

in any criminal case the state must prove the crime beyond any reasonable doubt

if the prosecuting agencies believe that some piece of evidence will make it difficult to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt, they have the discretion to not prosecute the case

here there is evidence from which the investigating agency could conclude that a conviction will be very unlikely

ie, a jury could find zimmerman's injuries consistent with self defense and it is unlikely that the jury will hear some of the more attenuated circumstantial evidence (like he called the police dozens of times about suspiscious behavior)

those injuries create reasonable doubt even if it's possible that he was not acting in self defense

the only thing florida law did here was to do away with the common law duty of retreat

back in those days people who were defending themselves from armed robbery were finding themselves in jail for not retreating instead

A law that makes it so hard to prosecute someone for murder that the prosecutors don't even try is  an absurd law.

[Caliga]

"Trayvon"?  Guilty.

[Ed Anger]

"Trayvon"?  Guilty.

His resumes were automatically thrown into the trash.

[Jacob]

"Trayvon"?  Guilty.

Figures you'd stand with Lettow.

[Caliga]

 

[Razgovory]

How could you stops gangs using this law?

Presumably this where the police would use their discretion to actually investigate.  I suppose that's how the system is suppose to work.

[Razgovory]

I guess I never had to deal with any strong father types with any of the girls I dated.  Butted heads with some overbearing mothers, but that's about it.

I rarely did either.  But then, few girls said yes to me in the first place.

[HVC]

"Trayvon"?  Guilty.

His resumes were automatically thrown into the trash.

not his fault his parents picked a crappy name*


*I speak from experience

[Razgovory]

Heh.  Hilario.