What is the West? Is Greece part of the West?

[Malthus]

"Corn flakes usually contain corn."

That's what they want you to think. 100% tree bark

The Institute of Kindergarden Research states that it is 100% scabs. 

[fhdz]

I'm sorry you couldn't put words in my Mouth Fahdiz.

I'm sorry your arguments aren't very good. Now we're even.

You aren't making any sense; no one in this thread thinks you're making any sense. Why don't you just cut your losses?

[Razgovory]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

[Razgovory]

I now realize I made a tactical mistake.  Instead of simply saying that Plato didn't write the Bible and leave room for people put words in my mouth I should have pointed out that Christianity isn't a uniquely Western concept.  They've had Christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia for quite some time.

But alas, I did not.  So I reckon I lose.

[Valmy]

I now realize I made a tactical mistake.  Instead of simply saying that Plato didn't write the Bible and leave room for people put words in my mouth I should have pointed out that Christianity isn't a uniquely Western concept.  They've had Christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia for quite some time.

I don't see how this point is any more interesting or significant or adds anything more to the conversation than claiming Plato didn't write the Bible.

Both are true and obvious.  So what?

[fhdz]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

All kinds of things can be two things at once 

[Razgovory]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

All kinds of things can be two things at once 

Can a place be both Eastern and Western at once?

[Razgovory]

I now realize I made a tactical mistake.  Instead of simply saying that Plato didn't write the Bible and leave room for people put words in my mouth I should have pointed out that Christianity isn't a uniquely Western concept.  They've had Christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia for quite some time.

I don't see how this point is any more interesting or significant or adds anything more to the conversation than claiming Plato didn't write the Bible.

Both are true and obvious.  So what?

So the thing about Christianity wasn't really relevant to the argument against me.  My argument is not that Greece didn't contribute to the West, but that it contributed to other cultures at least as equally.  If Greek thought and religion provides the foundation of both Eastern European and Western European thought, then it can't be solely Western or Eastern.  It has to be something else.

[Valmy]

So the thing about Christianity wasn't really relevant to the argument against me.  My argument is not that Greece didn't contribute to the West, but that it contributed to other cultures at least as equally.  If Greek thought and religion provides the foundation of both Eastern European and Western European thought, then it can't be solely Western or Eastern.  It has to be something else.

But what would be relevent in this discussion?  Nothing.  I already said I disagree fundamentally to your premise so arguing from that premise will go nowhere.  This is basic Aristotle, who is a key foundation to my thinking.

[Razgovory]

Okay, what line of argument would get me somewhere?

[dps]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

Of course something can be 2 (or more) things at once.  A red chair is both a chair, and a red object.  If it happens to be made of wood, it's also a wooden object.

[Razgovory]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

Of course something can be 2 (or more) things at once.  A red chair is both a chair, and a red object.  If it happens to be made of wood, it's also a wooden object.

Perhaps I should have phrased it differently.  To mutually exclusive things can't be the same at once.  Something can't be East and West at the same time.

[crazy canuck]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

All kinds of things can be two things at once 

I am both tall and awesome.  Some people confuse those as being the same thing but they are distinctly distinct.

[crazy canuck]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

Of course something can be 2 (or more) things at once.  A red chair is both a chair, and a red object.  If it happens to be made of wood, it's also a wooden object.

Perhaps I should have phrased it differently.  To mutually exclusive things can't be the same at once.  Something can't be East and West at the same time.

Why must the Greeks have influenced only one culture?

[garbon]

I reckon so.  My argument that something can't be two things at once falls on deaf ears.

All kinds of things can be two things at once 

Can a place be both Eastern and Western at once?

Can't a culture espouse some Eastern ideals and some Western ideals as the same time?