Gotcha!

[Razgovory]

In recent weeks both Grumbler* and Yi have accused me of "Gotcha" posting.  I'm not quite sure exactly what that means.  Yi went on to say I didn't have the "moral authority" to judge his posts.  Again, I don't quite understand what he means that.  It is true that I do sometimes find inconsistencies in people's arguments but that seems fair.  They aren't my arguments, the inconsistencies would exist even if I didn't point them out, and I've found that challenging assumptions and the like is an effective way of countering some of the more ludicrous arguments by some Languish posters.  It's clear that I don't quite understand all this, after all, I am an uneducated maniac.  Sometimes I need things explained to me in simple terms.

So help me fellow Languishnistas, help me find the error of my ways.  So that I might aspire to the peerless debating style of people like Yi and Grumbler.


*I don't actually care what Grumbler thinks. He's now ignoring me and I'm remarkably fine with that.

[Barrister]

I'm not going to get involved in discussing the comparative merits of grumbler's preferred posting style.  He seems happy enough with it.

Yi has always struck me as being a pretty fair person to have a discussion with - willing to concede when pointed to contradictory evidence, willing to admit when he doesn't know something, and rarely presents a "ludicrous argument".

[garbon]

I don't understand why Raz is so hung up on this.

[Razgovory]

I don't understand why Raz is so hung up on this.

Insane.

[Razgovory]

I'm not going to get involved in discussing the comparative merits of grumbler's preferred posting style.  He seems happy enough with it.

Yi has always struck me as being a pretty fair person to have a discussion with - willing to concede when pointed to contradictory evidence, willing to admit when he doesn't know something, and rarely presents a "ludicrous argument".

It started the other day because of a statement that Yi made:

Peaceniks want to shrink the military and retreat from overseas commitments because they think the US is the sole source of evil in the world and that all conflicts (those not started by the US) can be resolved by travelling puppet shows and aggressive tree planting.

I wanted some clarification on that.  He refused and said it was just me trying to get him.

[MadImmortalMan]

I wanted some clarification on that.  He refused and said it was just me trying to get him.

Just hyperbole. Not intended literally.

[Ideologue]

Noting that I somehow doubt this is a genuine question...

It's pretty clearly how out-and-out antagonistic you are, like, all the time toward people who disagree with you on political, social, and economic issues.

It's not like Yi and I see eye-to-eye on, almost literally, anything of a political or economic nature, but we always seem to get along and we discuss various subjects of less import congenially.  See also me and Neil, or me and Barrister Boy.  I mean, on occasion we'll swipe at each other in an unprovoked fashion for fun or the entertainment of others (at least as much as we already do with those on our political "sides"--I mean, I give Mihali crap, CdM gives me crap, and so forth).  But we know we're kidding, or at least mean no harm, whereas no one's sure if you're joking or if you've developed an unhealthy fixation on opposing a particular individual, and a lot of times it seems like the latter.

As for grumbler, I dunno.  Dude's mean.  I expect it's because of those times I beat him in WitP.  Not my fault you don't know how to use airpower.

[Admiral Yi]

Just hyperbole. Not intended literally.

Maybe not 100%, but those puppet shows are pretty fucking effective.

[Malthus]

As for grumbler, I dunno.  Dude's mean.  I expect it's because of those times I beat him in WitP.  Not my fault you don't know how to use airpower.

[Obligatory Languish Joke] Not his fault either - they didn't have airplanes back in his day. [/Obligatory Languish Joke]

[Razgovory]

I wanted some clarification on that.  He refused and said it was just me trying to get him.

Just hyperbole. Not intended literally.

Raz is somewhat literal minded.  Yi's posting style has always confused me.

[garbon]

I don't understand why Raz is so hung up on this.

Insane.

It just seems petty. You didn't get satisfaction from Grumber and Yi and are now running around trying to get the rest of us to be on your side.

[Eddie Teach]

I think what they're saying is that you focus on previous (often poorly phrased or not fully thought out) statements people have made and don't let them backtrack or wiggle out of those positions without explicitly recanting them. This is perfectly fine if the goal is scoring points or winning a debate, but a bit obnoxious in general. You're hardly the worst offender though.

[Barrister]

I wanted some clarification on that.  He refused and said it was just me trying to get him.

Just hyperbole. Not intended literally.

Raz is somewhat literal minded.  Yi's posting style has always confused me.

Yeah, that could be a problem right there.

[Razgovory]

I don't understand why Raz is so hung up on this.

Insane.

It just seems petty. You didn't get satisfaction from Grumber and Yi and are now running around trying to get the rest of us to be on your side.

It seems that way to you, I'm just doing the bidding of the Jellyfish commune that lives in my brain.

[szmik]

did Marti spread attention whoring on you or something? 

btw

I think what they're saying is that you focus on previous (often poorly phrased or not fully thought out) statements people have made and don't let them backtrack or wiggle out of those positions without explicitly recanting them. This is perfectly fine if the goal is scoring points or winning a debate, but a bit obnoxious in general. You're hardly the worst offender though.

QFT