The Occupy Movement - First Impressions.

[mongers]

I recently been spending some time with one of the local occupy groups, not especially taken part in anything, but have donated some stuff and I'm interested in it as its such a 'new' political phenomena.

This is just a thread to jot down some of my first impressions, I'm hoping to see what some of the other groups are up to and would be interested in what other languishite think of the 'activists' and groups they've met.

The first surprise it is it wasn't at all what I expected; me being a one national Tory I expected it to be a rather 'progressive' bunch of people, but it's not at all like that, if I had to single out a unifying or at least common thread between the majority of them, I'd describe them as the 'internet educated' generation.

By that I mean, despite real world interactions, much of their communication is conducted via facebook, and most of the 'educational' material that's posted on the their facebook groups seems to be links to youtube videos, there is very little posting of actual non-media webpages, perhaps less than 25% and very little to non in terms of what I'd see as economic, scientific and political 'source material'.

Which is where my problem with some of them begins, Malthus knows a bit about what I'm talking about !

I think it's best if post little anecdotes as I recall them and answer any specific question you might have.

Again I'd be interested in others RL experience of this 'mass movement', Shelf any opinions ? 

[Admiral Yi]

Do you really vote Tory mongers?

[mongers]

Do you really vote Tory mongers?

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.

[Admiral Yi]

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate

Who has this meant in practice?

[mongers]

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate

Who has this meant in practice?

My politics predate thatcher but since I've only been able to vote since the Falklands era, that has meant my local MP once, this time I voted LD to actively get a coalition govt, or at least I was guessing the LD would be acting as a moderating force to a minority conservative govt.

[CountDeMoney]

Do you really vote Tory mongers?

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.

Sorta like Republitards here;  you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.

[mongers]

Do you really vote Tory mongers?

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.

Sorta like Republitards here;  you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.

I don't disagree.

[CountDeMoney]

Do you really vote Tory mongers?

Sure when there's a non-thatcherite candidate, but then again that's one of the biggest divides in the party, between the old one-nation tories and the 'sons of thatcher'.

Sorta like Republitards here;  you've got the Teabaggers and their simpleton Teabaggery, and then you have people who support real Republicans, like Nixon, Ford and General Haig.

I don't disagree.

Unfortunately, today's Republitards seem to think they're still one and the same.  ZOMG REAGAN WOULD NEVER HAVE RAISED TEH DEBT CEILINGZ

[mongers]

What really surprised me is how some of them take their cue from American originated rightwing/nutbar youtube vidoes; so you'll get people talking about fiat currencies, how the banks 'make up or invent money' how inflation is a deliberate thing designed to give people negative savings rates etc.

But what concerns me more is several people I've met seem to think that 'darker' financial conspiracies hold water, so you'll get one or two people posting youtube videos about the Rothschilds and the Illuminati etc.  Oh and with these two or three people David Icke videos links also popular.   

And of course we know there's a subtext with both of these sources of 'information' ie the coded anti-semitism, out of the couple dozen activist I've met, I've had long conversation with a dozen or so, so I've got some handle on their 'worldviews' but as I say it's early days.  But one of them, a polish women, surprise, surprise is somewhat obsessed with this stuff and since she now won't answer any of my questions on facebook about this issue I'd concluded anti-semitism is what motivates her to a large extent.

I think for her two or three other fellow travelers, I'd say it isn't necessarily intention, but that vein runs through a lot of the youtube material that is posted.  This is something I'm intending to pursue and challenge a couple more on this matter. 

Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.

[CountDeMoney]

On behalf of the people of The United States of America, I would like to sincerely apologize for all that.

[Ed Anger]

Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.

Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.

[mongers]

Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.

Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.

Didn't they kill an Jewish American student in Germany a while back ?

[Ed Anger]

No idea. The kardashians wasn't involved, so the media ignored it.

[mongers]

On behalf of the people of The United States of America, I would like to sincerely apologize for all that.

Yes, I'm disappointed well, why can't these Britishers get their act together and come up with their own distinct British brand of fascism.   

[Razgovory]

Oh and LaRouche and Ron Paul seem to have a bit of a following, it really surprises me just how US originated a lot of this is, there doesn't at least to my mind seem much in the way of a British sourced threat in the group 'outlook'.

Funny thing about the LaRouchies is when you run into them over here, most likely they are foreigners. Annoying little foreign college students.

I've never actually seen one.  My mom was a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in SF back in '84.  The LaRouche wanted to talk at the Convention and of course nobody was going to let that lunatic go up there and speak, so his groupies were out stalking delegates to try to get enough of them on LaRouche's side to force the party to let him speak.  It didn't work.  My mom thought they were scary.  I think he's even crazier then Ron Paul.  They have really weird ideas like thinking the British monarchy is dealing drugs and have strange fixation on the national meat supply.