Polish court's ruling: A sikh vs. airport security checks

[Ed Anger]

The sikh don't make for good plane passengers, with all that coughing and stuff.

[Martinus]

Maybe they could put their turbans in airplane sikh bags?

[Razgovory]

These guys don't want to take off their hats.  It's indecent.  You may not want to stand in line naked. Everyone riding naked would maximize safety wouldn't it?  Yet I imagine people would complain if we made everyone stand naked.

We already make people stand naked. Look up backscatter X-ray imaging.

Nice try.  No Cigar.

[garbon]

Maybe they could put their turbans in airplane sikh bags?

The puns don't work well when we know they come from a bigoted place.

[DGuller]

Maybe they could put their turbans in airplane sikh bags?

The puns don't work well when we know they come from a bigoted place.

I thought that was funny.

[Martinus]

The concept that should apply here is "reasonable accommodations." 

I'm all for reasonable accommodations as long as they fall within certain objective criteria: for example, if I have to fly and stay away for a couple weeks I have to take my medication with me. In order to be allowed to board the plane with it, I need to get a medical form signed by a registered specialist. I can't just go: 'hey, I've got magic underwear, let me in!'.

Except it's not objective criteria.  It's criteria rooted in your culture.  What one culture considers decent another may not.  These guys don't want to take off their hats.  It's indecent.  You may not want to stand in line naked. Everyone riding naked would maximize safety wouldn't it?  Yet I imagine people would complain if we made everyone stand naked.

Everything we do is rooted in our culture.

[Martinus]

Maybe they could put their turbans in airplane sikh bags?

The puns don't work well when we know they come from a bigoted place.

The jabs don't work well when they come from a NF.

[garbon]

I've no idea what that means. Besides it is just the truth to call you a bigot.

[Razgovory]

Everything we do is rooted in our culture.

What's your point?

[Jaron]

I've no idea what that means. Besides it is just the truth to call you a bigot.

Nigger Faggot

[dps]

Everything we do is rooted in our culture.

What's your point?

I guess it means that Marti can't see that it's bigoted to not have some tolerance for other cultures, faiths, and point-of-views. 

I mean, he's right to a certain extent.  Look at how the forum is split on the whole issue of making accomodations based of a person's religion.  The divide isn't so much between posters who have some religious beliefs themselves and those who don't;  rather, the divide is mostly based on where a poster lives--those who live in the English-speaking parts of North America generally favor allowing a lot of accomodation, those who live in non-English speaking areas favor very little if any accomodation, and those in the UK are split or fall somewhere in between.  That's not 100% true, but there is a good correlation.   

[Sheilbh]

I noticed that with Solmyr's description of what liberalism isn't roughly according with my idea of what it is.  I wonder if, at least with Poland, it's due to the influence of French rather than English liberalism.  Maybe more rooted in anti-clericalism, which doesn't have any strong, real influence in English thought?

[DGuller]

Everything we do is rooted in our culture.

What's your point?

I guess it means that Marti can't see that it's bigoted to not have some tolerance for other cultures, faiths, and point-of-views. 

I mean, he's right to a certain extent.  Look at how the forum is split on the whole issue of making accomodations based of a person's religion.  The divide isn't so much between posters who have some religious beliefs themselves and those who don't;  rather, the divide is mostly based on where a poster lives--those who live in the English-speaking parts of North America generally favor allowing a lot of accomodation, those who live in non-English speaking areas favor very little if any accomodation, and those in the UK are split or fall somewhere in between.  That's not 100% true, but there is a good correlation.

To be fair, English is the language of civilization. 

[dps]

I noticed that with Solmyr's description of what liberalism isn't roughly according with my idea of what it is.  I wonder if, at least with Poland, it's due to the influence of French rather than English liberalism.  Maybe more rooted in anti-clericalism, which doesn't have any strong, real influence in English thought?

Possibly.  Historically, anti-clericalism seems pretty closely tied to liberalism in Catholic countries, much less so in England, and not at all in the US.  I'm not sure about the situation in the Anglo parts of Canada, or in other non-Catholic countries.

[Razgovory]

The European idea of liberalism espoused by some people on this board is at odds with both classical liberalism and modern American liberalism.  There doesn't seem to be much actual "Freedom" involved.  It's more like some people have decided what is "Free" and expect everyone else to act in accordance to it.  For instance on the issue of veils it seems some posters idea of "freedom' is to "free" these people from themselves and the way they wish to live.