Polish court's ruling: A sikh vs. airport security checks

Started by Martinus, December 21, 2011, 11:51:57 AM

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Admiral Yi

Sikhs do magic under garments as well?  Didn't know that.

Ideologue

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Valmy

Quote from: Jacob on December 21, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
You may be completely right, but it's probably best to leave the "this is what the religion really is about" to the people who follow it.

Um sorry?  I find religions interesting and I enjoy trying to find out what they are about.
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Barrister

Quote from: Ideologue on December 21, 2011, 01:25:23 PM
The hair itself is part of the 5 Ks.  I don't think the turban is.  Could be wrong.  Sikhism has some nice points (reincarnation, for example, sure seems a lot fairer than eternal judgment with no do-overs), but between the magic underwear, the also-magic comb, the forbidden haircut, mandatory bracelet, and the knife, its practice seems a little batty.

I feel bad when they're mistaken for Muslims by stupid people, though, given that the religion and culture were shaped in response to Muslim oppression.

I have no problem with minor inconveniences for security purposes.

Did you know there is such a thing as sikhiwiki.org where you can learn everything you ever wanted to know about sikhism? :lol:

The hair hair is called kesh, it must be both uncut and protected.  So the turban is part and parcel with that requirement.
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Ideologue

Yep, I did, I've seen it before, but didn't memorize everything, and didn't bother to look it up now, I'm afraid. :P
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on December 21, 2011, 01:32:34 PM
Did you know there is such a thing as sikhiwiki.org where you can learn everything you ever wanted to know about sikhism? :lol:

The hair hair is called kesh, it must be both uncut and protected.  So the turban is part and parcel with that requirement.

I used to go to Sikhnet myself :P

But thanks for the heads up.
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Barrister

I just liked the name.  :lol:  I actually thought it might be a prank, but the articles are full of deadly earnestness about the virtues of the sikhs. :(
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Malthus

Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 01:29:15 PM
Quote from: Jacob on December 21, 2011, 01:27:10 PM
You may be completely right, but it's probably best to leave the "this is what the religion really is about" to the people who follow it.

Um sorry?  I find religions interesting and I enjoy trying to find out what they are about.

Depends on what you are sikhing for.


  ;)
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Valmy

Quote from: Malthus on December 21, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
Depends on what you are sikhing for.

:lol:

Really it is just sikh how many puns about Sikhs you can do.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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crazy canuck

Given Marti's views regarding people not exactly like him it is not surprising to me that he supports this ruling.  BB did a good job summing up the other side (which iirc is the way the courts in all other civilizalized countries have dealt with the issue) so I wont go over that ground.  But in answer to BB question about requiring a Sikh to take off their head gear to wear a saftey helmet or somethings similiar the answer is very much fact driven and turns on the question of whether wearing the helmet etc is a "bona fide occupational requirment".  If it is then if the employee refuses to wear the required gear then they can be refused work and ultimately terminated in most cases.

Malthus

Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 01:41:30 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 21, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
Depends on what you are sikhing for.

:lol:

Really it is just sikh how many puns about Sikhs you can do.

The best part is, somewhere BB is bashing his forehead into his computer keys.  ;)
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Admiral Yi


Barrister

Quote from: Malthus on December 21, 2011, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: Valmy on December 21, 2011, 01:41:30 PM
Quote from: Malthus on December 21, 2011, 01:40:16 PM
Depends on what you are sikhing for.

:lol:

Really it is just sikh how many puns about Sikhs you can do.

The best part is, somewhere BB is bashing his forehead into his computer keys.  ;)

If I respond, I will only prompt more terrible puns.

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