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Started by Caliga, October 28, 2011, 06:32:54 AM

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Caliga

What in the blankety blank fleurking schnit is this!? :mad:

QuoteGirls equal in British throne succession
If Prince William and Kate had a daughter first, she would take precedence over younger brothers

Sons and daughters of any future UK monarch will have equal right to the throne, after Commonwealth leaders agreed to change succession laws.

The leaders of the 16 Commonwealth countries where the Queen is head of state unanimously approved the changes at a summit in Perth, Australia.

It means a first-born daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will take precedence over younger brothers.

The ban on the monarch being married to a Roman Catholic was also lifted.

Under the old succession laws, dating back more than 300 years, the heir to the throne is the first-born son of the monarch. Only when there are no sons, as in the case of the Queen's father George VI, does the crown pass to the eldest daughter.

Announcing the changes had been agreed, Prime Minister David Cameron said they would apply to descendents of the Prince of Wales. They will not be applied retrospectively.

David Cameron: ''The idea a younger son should become monarch instead of an elder daughter simply because he's a man... is at odds with the modern countries we have become''
"Put simply, if the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge were to have a little girl, that girl would one day be our queen," he said.

"The idea that a younger son should become monarch instead of an elder daughter simply because he is a man, or that a future monarch can marry someone of any faith except a Catholic - this way of thinking is at odds with the modern countries that we have become."

Australia's Prime Minister Julia Gillard said it was an extraordinary moment: "I'm very enthusiastic about it. You would expect the first Australian woman prime minister to be very enthusiastic about a change which equals equality for women in a new area."

She said the changes appeared to be straightforward. "But just because they seem straightforward to our modern minds doesn't mean that we should underestimate their historical significance, changing as they will for all time the way in which the monarchy works and changing its history."

But the campaign group Republic - which wants an elected head of state in Britain - said "nothing of substance" had been changed.

"The monarchy discriminates against every man, woman and child who isn't born into the Windsor family. To suggest that this has anything to do with equality is utterly absurd," spokesman Graham Smith said.

On scrapping the ban on future monarchs marrying Roman Catholics, Mr Cameron said: "Let me be clear, the monarch must be in communion with the Church of England because he or she is the head of that Church. But it is simply wrong they should be denied the chance to marry a Catholic if they wish to do so. After all, they are already quite free to marry someone of any other faith."

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond welcomed the lifting of the ban but said it was "deeply disappointing" that Roman Catholics were still unable to ascend to the throne.

"It surely would have been possible to find a mechanism which would have protected the status of the Church of England without keeping in place an unjustifiable barrier on the grounds of religion in terms of the monarchy," he said.

"It is a missed opportunity not to ensure equality of all faiths when it comes to the issue of who can be head of state."

In her opening speech to the summit, the Queen did not directly mention the royal succession laws, but said women should have a greater role in society.

"It encourages us to find ways to show girls and women to play their full part," she said.

The BBC's royal correspondent, Nicholas Witchell, said this was a hint that the Queen herself backed the change.

CHOGM summit

The Queen will celebrate her Diamond Jubilee next year and there are already two generations of kings-in-waiting - Prince Charles and his son Prince William.

The royal author Robert Hardman said there had been 11 attempts in recent years by individual MPs and peers to change the succession laws.

The laws are not a matter for the 54-nation Commonwealth as a whole, only for the 16 countries which have the Queen as their head of state, known as realms.

These are Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica, Antigua and Barbuda, Belize, Papua New Guinea, St Christopher and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Tuvalu, Barbados, Grenada, Solomon Islands, St Lucia and the Bahamas.

The succession changes will require a raft of historic legislation to be amended, including Britain's 1701 Act of Settlement and 1689 Bill of Rights.

Mr Cameron said the realms would work to implement the changes but that for historic reasons the UK would have to publish its legislation first.

"People have been talking about changing the rules for some time, but when there are 16 countries sharing the same head of state and each have their own constitutional, legal and political concerns, it is absolutely right that we should all discuss this together."

In his speech, the prime minister also praised the Queen's 60 years of public service and announced the creation of a Diamond Jubilee Trust to help those in need across the Commonwealth. The trust will be chaired by former Prime Minister Sir John Major.

The Commonwealth Heads of Government Meetings (CHOGM) are held every two years, and present an opportunity for the 54 nations with current or former ties to Britain to discuss a range of issues.

The CHOGM summit will also discuss economic growth, climate change and human rights at this year's meeting.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Caliga on October 28, 2011, 06:32:54 AM
David Cameron: ''The idea a younger son should become monarch instead of an elder daughter simply because he's a man... is at odds with the modern countries we have become''

Doesn't stop them from keeping the monarchy itself.
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grumbler

I am kinda surprised (though pleased) that this went through the Commonwealth leadership so smoothly.
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Oexmelin

We should also do away with primogeniture, an equally outdated concept, and institute a royal lottery to decide who becomes king/queen. That or a fight.

Or we could also do away with another equally outdated concept, monarchy.

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garbon

Quote from: Oexmelin on October 28, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
We should also do away with primogeniture, an equally outdated concept, and institute a royal lottery to decide who becomes king/queen. That or a fight.

Or we could also do away with another equally outdated concept, monarchy.

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Actually, I think the most modern concept would be to have an elective monarchy, with the monarch being elected from eligible offspring of the previous monarch.

Martinus

Quote from: Oexmelin on October 28, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
We should also do away with primogeniture, an equally outdated concept, and institute a royal lottery to decide who becomes king/queen. That or a fight.

Or we could also do away with another equally outdated concept, monarchy.

Yes, because determining leadership randomly or through a trial by combat is such a modern concept.

Valmy

Quote from: Martinus on October 28, 2011, 08:06:16 AM
Actually, I think the most modern concept would be to have an elective monarchy, with the monarch being elected from eligible offspring of the previous monarch.

Poland ruined elective monarchies forever.  Nice going guys.
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Who would marry a Catholic anyway?
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Barrister

Those fools!

They have fallen for the Jacobite plot!
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Valmy

Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
Those fools!

They have fallen for the Jacobite plot!

Fortunately the Jacobite banner is being carried by a German dude and British people have contempt for continentals.  I think you are safe.
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grumbler

Quote from: Barrister on October 28, 2011, 08:32:04 AM
Those fools!

They have fallen for the Jacobite plot!
:lol:  It was the jacobites who objected to Mary ascending the throne ahead of her younger brother.  If this was a plot, it was a plot against Jacobism.
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The Brain

There are many non-Catholic Asian chicks anyway.
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Syt

This plays into the nazis' hands. :(
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Quote from: Oexmelin on October 28, 2011, 07:34:20 AM
We should also do away with primogeniture, an equally outdated concept, and institute a royal lottery to decide who becomes king/queen. That or a fight.

Or we could also do away with another equally outdated concept, monarchy.

Or, we could hang the lot of you Quebec republicans and separatists for High Treason on a Newgate-style scaffold, like good ole times. Pied-au-Courant would be a nice spot, don't you think?

Aren't you already busy sending your precious monarch in the PQ to the scaffold lately, anyway?