American Gun Ownership Highest In 18 Years

[Ed Anger]

I'm bored.

[Jacob]

I'm bored.

Go shoot a gun.

[Ed Anger]

I'm bored.

Go shoot a gun.

Not enough light out.

[crazy canuck]

Well, the ATF has apparently banned importation of Soviet surplus 5.45x39mm ammo, or at least the plentiful and cheap 7n6 variety.  Not because of anything going on in Russia/Ukraine, but because some goofball decided to make an AR pistol chambered for 5.45x39. 

Yeah, I dont visit this thread very often - so shoot me*

Out of curiousity what authority does the ATF have to unilaterally regulate in that manner.  Isnt that sort of thing which needs to be done through Federal regulations which the ATF then enforces?

*Do not take literally.

[crazy canuck]

I'm bored.

Go shoot a gun.

Not enough light out.

Viable defence?

[Ed Anger]

No night vision. I'm not an elf.

[11B4V]

No night vision. I'm not an elf.

Eh, qiut being a girl. Just step out the back door and pop off a few.

[Ed Anger]

No night vision. I'm not an elf.

Eh, qiut being a girl. Just step out the back door and pop off a few.

Yeah. In the middle of a residential area. 

Way to shake off that redneck stereotype there, 114Confederacy

[ulmont]

Out of curiousity what authority does the ATF have to unilaterally regulate in that manner.  Isnt that sort of thing which needs to be done through Federal regulations which the ATF then enforces?

In the US the enforcement agency is usually the one responsible for rulemaking as well.

Here's one example from the ATF:

I. Background
The Attorney General is responsible for enforcing the provisions of section 38 of the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (AECA), 22 U.S.C. 2778, that relate to the importation of defense articles and defense services, and also for enforcing the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53. The Attorney General is also responsible for enforcing the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, relating to commerce in firearms and ammunition. He has delegated all of those responsibilities to the Director of ATF (''Director''), subject to the direction of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General. 28 CFR 0.130.
...
1. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 447 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 22 U.S.C. 2778.
...
3. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 479 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 26 U.S.C. 7805.

http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulemakings/notices/notice-43P.pdf

Those code sections give rulemaking responsibility to the President and the Secretary of the Treasury, which has then devolved upon ATF.

[11B4V]

No night vision. I'm not an elf.

Eh, qiut being a girl. Just step out the back door and pop off a few.

Yeah. In the middle of a residential area. 

Way to shake off that redneck stereotype there, 114Confederacy

[Ed Anger]

No night vision. I'm not an elf.

Eh, qiut being a girl. Just step out the back door and pop off a few.

Yeah. In the middle of a residential area. 

Way to shake off that redneck stereotype there, 114Confederacy

Yee-haw! 

[crazy canuck]

Out of curiousity what authority does the ATF have to unilaterally regulate in that manner.  Isnt that sort of thing which needs to be done through Federal regulations which the ATF then enforces?

In the US the enforcement agency is usually the one responsible for rulemaking as well.

Here's one example from the ATF:

I. Background
The Attorney General is responsible for enforcing the provisions of section 38 of the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 (AECA), 22 U.S.C. 2778, that relate to the importation of defense articles and defense services, and also for enforcing the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53. The Attorney General is also responsible for enforcing the provisions of the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, relating to commerce in firearms and ammunition. He has delegated all of those responsibilities to the Director of ATF (''Director''), subject to the direction of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General. 28 CFR 0.130.
...
1. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 447 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 22 U.S.C. 2778.
...
3. The authority citation for 27 CFR part 479 continues to read as follows:
Authority: 26 U.S.C. 7805.

http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations-rulings/rulemakings/notices/notice-43P.pdf

Those code sections give rulemaking responsibility to the President and the Secretary of the Treasury, which has then devolved upon ATF.

If the enforcement agency gets to make their own rules as they go - where is the oversight and accountability?

The gun nuts may not be so nutty after all.

[11B4V]

CC, are you feeling well?

[Ideologue]

Actual successful lawyer says:  "The legislature has delegated its powers to the executive?  WTF is that shit?"

[The Minsky Moment]

If the enforcement agency gets to make their own rules as they go - where is the oversight and accountability?

Congress makes the law.  The rules for enforcing that law are drafted by the agency that has expertise.  There is a notice and comment period.  If the rules exceed the authorization, they can be challenged.  If the agency fails to provide appropriate notice and comment, they can be challenged.