Breaking News - Major Terrorist Attack In Oslo, Norway

[Malthus]

The lesson being your parents are assholes?

It's a hostile world for Jews.

There are easier ways to do that - just have 'em read the collected wit and wisdom of Slargos. 

[HVC]

The lesson being your parents are assholes?

It's a hostile world for Jews.

There are easier ways to do that - just have 'em read the collected wit and wisdom of Slargos. 

or you know ththe whole snip snip thing. if that doesn't tell you you're going to lead a tough life nothing will

[HVC]

I suppose after the events in Norway, if parents tried that, they would have got their ass kicked. Which would have been fun.

They'd learn the lesson of what batons feel like

[derspiess]

This reminds me of a story I once heard on the radio.  There was a Jewish summer camp where on the last week several of the parents dressed up a Klan members and pretended to take the campers hostage.  Terrified the kids, but I suppose it was meant to teach a lesson. 

Knowing a few Jewish moms, I'm sure they were a dead giveaway.  But then again, their nagging might be more terrifying than a burning cross.

[Slargos]

I don't have any hard numbers to work off of, but given that IIRC something like 50% of the children and adolescents in Oslo are of non-western origin and that they typically lean towards the left it looks more like they're very under represented.

But hey, Martinus may very well be correct.

I like [perhaps the wrong word, pretend it's dribbling with sarcasm] how they [the media] went out of their way to pick out the immigrant kids to interview after the event, btw.

[Neil]

Two Middle Eastern kids in this picture (have seen ones with more) but I just wanted to post it, because this is so goddamn sad. This was really the elite of the young people in Norway. 

It is quite sad, even more so when you see the faces.  But let's not overstate things-- the elite of the young people in Norway??

Why not? Who would you consider to be elite, among the young, if not people engaged in social and community work?

Kids with money.  Kids who aren't so lame as to have Mandela for a hero.

[Slargos]

I counted 14 of the 76 having non-western names and thus presumably being non-western. I didn't count the Georgian who was visiting specifically for the camp, nor the girl who was quite obviously adopted given the Norweigan last names.

Higher than the % of immigrant population in the country, but lower than the % of immigrant population in Oslo. Much lower than the % of young "immigrants" [quotation marks since many of them are actually born in Norway, but you get the drift, ethnical deviants].

Given that the total amount of participants was somewhere around 700, and the relatively small sample size of the murdered, it may of course be that a disproportionate amount of the "immigrants" were either killed or spared thus skewing the numbers, but it gives a general idea I suppose.

[Slargos]

IMHO it doesn't matter a jot who the victims were, one victim of such an outrage is a just as much a tragedy as anyone else in society who might randomly be killed. 

If a killer, perhaps a 'mad' eugenicist, had gone into a workshop or school run for adults with learning difficulties, say people we used describe as having downs syndrome, would that be any less of a tragedy because clearly they're never likely to be part of a country's 'elite' ?

edit:
That's not to say we shouldn't read their stories and empathies with the loss to their families and friends.

I don't know if you've read the particular story, but the one that made me come closer to tears than I've been in probably over a decade, was the 11 year old who inadvertently saved a guy by stumbling onto the scene of ABB busily reloading while a guy is pleading for his life [possibly the one pictured with a man in the water a couple of meters away from ABB, but I can't be sure] and saying, "Please. Don't shoot us anymore. You've already killed my father. Please stop shooting." And apparently ABB just walked away, sparing both the child and the man. Evidently not completely heart less.

Later, as the kid was swimming from the island together with a few others, and ABB was shooting at the group, he'd told the girl dragging him along, "I thought police officers were supposed to be nice."

This, more than anything else, chokes me up just thinking about it.

[Martinus]

Why not? Who would you consider to be elite, among the young, if not people engaged in social and community work?

Top academic performers, musical prodigies, etc.  Social & community work is fine & dandy (not sure how attending a political party summer camp qualifies as such but whatever), but I don't think that makes one part of the elite.

I don't know - a musical talent is just something that you have - I find a personality that causes one to try to help others or take an active role in a society to make you much more of the elite than just having fast fingers and a good ear.

[Slargos]

IDK.

To my mind, the "elite" are the people who are not easily replaced from a societal perspective. The kind of people you'd put on an Ark if the world was dying and you had limited space. On an individual level everyone is irreplacable to someone, but the loss to society of a gifted artist or a brilliant scientist is much greater than that of a salesman, no matter how caring and helpful he is.

These people may be [or have been, I suppose] part of the future political elite [and in case you've missed it, this type of activity is basically a plant school for the party], but in a broader sense they are all just nameless cogs.

[Viking]

Calling them the elite is a bit misleading.

These kids were on the political career track and among the kids on the island one would expect to find a few future ministers and possibly a prime minister.

This is a career track which starts in high school with school politics (student council, model UN etc.) Eventually the most successful drop out of uni and join leadership positions in the political parties and get fast tracked to the top of electoral lists by the central party. This is not a camp that indoctrinates otherwise innocent children, but rather an act of teambuilding for self selecting members. These kids are not the elite, being in high politics does not provide much caché or prestige in Norway.

[The Minsky Moment]

All this talk about "ABB" is confusing.  I keep thinking Percy Barnevik is to blame somehow.

[Razgovory]

The lesson being your parents are assholes?

It's a hostile world for Jews.

There are easier ways to do that - just have 'em read the collected wit and wisdom of Slargos. 

Few children are going to be awed or frightened by the Wit and Wisdom of Slargos.

[dps]

All this talk about "ABB" is confusing.  I keep thinking Percy Barnevik is to blame somehow.

I keep reading it as "ABBA".

[The Brain]

All this talk about "ABB" is confusing.  I keep thinking Percy Barnevik is to blame somehow.

Percy isn't evil. Percy got rich or died trying.