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The trial that never ends comes to an end.

Started by Razgovory, July 04, 2011, 10:11:02 AM

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Will she be found guilty?

Guilty!
9 (50%)
Not guilty!
5 (27.8%)
Hung jury!
4 (22.2%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Ed Anger

Quote from: Caliga on July 05, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
:hmm: But they successfully did their jobs... why shouldn't they celebrate? :huh:

I was trying to think of why they shouldn't, but this pic sums up my thoughts on the issue:

Stay Alive...Let the Man Drive

Caliga

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Caliga on July 05, 2011, 07:33:26 PM
Relax, big guy. :console:

She waited a month to report her own child missing, and only because the grandparents were pushed to the point of wanting to know what the fuck happened to the kid.
She said the kid was with a nanny--that never existed.
She told her family that she and the kid were living with a wealthy boyfriend--that never existed.
The defense lawyer ponied up every possible obtuse angle, from drowning, to sacrificing the grandfather as a molester to disposing of the body, to blaming the brother and even the ex-boyfriend and the girl's biological dad, for fuck's sake.  That piece of shit lawyer ponied up everybody except Lee Fucking Harvey Oswald.

The grandmother, the second time around, was busted straight up for perjury on the stand about the "I wasn't googling chloroform, I was googling chlorophyll and it gave me chloroform" bullshit, covering for her daughter's hudreds of hits on her computer for searches on chloroform.
The kid was found with fucking duct tape over her mouth.
The mom's 911 call was damning enough.  Even if you've never smelled decomposing human flesh, you immediately recognize it. Why? Because it's hard-coded into your genetics as a fucking human being, that's why.  Cadaver dogs triggered on it. Forensics specialists identified it.  But the jury bought the shit about you can't qualitate "air".  Why? Because this jury made up their minds on this before they were even chosen.  10 hours. Now, if she were black....

And a little 2 year old is still fucking dead.  Because Mommy hated being a Mommy and 2 year olds put a crimp in acting like an 18 year old again.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Caliga on July 05, 2011, 07:36:03 PM
:hmm: But they successfully did their jobs... why shouldn't they celebrate? :huh:

Why not? They just hit the jackpot.

Caliga

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Razgovory

Barrister would have gotten a conviction.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Razgovory on July 05, 2011, 08:09:44 PM
Barrister would have gotten a conviction.

BB would've gotten a better change of venue, and a better jury.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Caliga on July 05, 2011, 07:59:06 PM
My thoughts exactly. :showoff:

Quite frankly, I wouldn't exactly chalk this up as a victory due to any real legal acumen on the part of the defense, but the fact that the jury was relocated from St Pete to ORLANDO, in the DEAD OF SUMMER, for SIX WEEKS, working SIX DAYS A WEEK (judge's fault, btw), missing their families over MEMORIAL DAY and JULY 4th holidays.

Honestly, the longer a sequestered jury goes sequestered, the more pissed they become.  And they're pissed at the state for putting them there.

So what verdict are they going to go with? The one that gets them the fuck out of a stuffy Orlando hotel the fucking fastest.

derspiess

Completely ignored this whole thing until today.  But after reading about it I'm almost as hacked off about the verdict as Money.  Bitch should've fried.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

DontSayBanana

You know what?  Without physical evidence, it could just as easily have been the perjured grandmother.  Mom a scumbag?  Sure.  Was she the scumbag?  No way to know.  Fuck you all.  And that's all I'm saying on the matter.
Experience bij!

CountDeMoney

Go ahead a bitch about physical evidence. Fuck you, DSB.  People get convicted without a fucking body.  People get convicted without a fucking murder weapon. Enough circumstantial evidence can surpass any reasonable doubt, and provide enough to convict.
Beyond a reasonable doubt doesn't mean beyond any doubt, fuckstick.

OttoVonBismarck

I think the most likely scenario is she's fucking insane and killed her kid. If it was outright murder there is no way to know, or if it was some form of negligence. Did the Dad help? No way to know.

All I know is after the whole trial we still don't know fuck all about what happened, and that's probably why she was acquitted. I think we're all agreed on what we "feel" happened, based on her weird behavior and etc, but when it came down to it the prosecution couldn't really prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. I would have acquitted if I was on that jury as well.

katmai

Even though friend has been working for network (Truetv? one of those other ones) i haven't been paying attention to this trial as was busy, so i don't have the certainty of guilt that derspicy and Seedy have, but sounds like clusterfuck from DA's office from all the reactions i've seen today.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Josephus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 05, 2011, 05:49:17 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on July 05, 2011, 02:14:18 PM
I sentence you to one full spread centerfold in Penthouse. Larry is waiting in the breezeway to escort you to his office.

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Penthouse went kaput years ago

It did?  :( God, has it been that long since I looked at the porn rack in the corner stores? It's still around on the web, though, and I think there's a TV channel too.
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grumbler

Quote from: katmai on July 05, 2011, 10:37:05 PM
Even though friend has been working for network (Truetv? one of those other ones) i haven't been paying attention to this trial as was busy, so i don't have the certainty of guilt that derspicy and Seedy have, but sounds like clusterfuck from DA's office from all the reactions i've seen today.
The analysis I've seen pretty much agrees that the state didn't have much of a case, and that the defense's greatest problem was going to be that they could not plausibly account for the defendant's behavior bar conceding guilt.  By focusing the defense case on attacking the relatives rather than trying to explain the defendant's actions, and harping on the lack of any physical evidence, the defense was able to make the jury look past the fact that the defendant had acted in a way that could only really be explained by the fact that she did it.

The prosecution's summation was not, apparently, the most coherent and convincing one ever given, either.
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