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Started by Razgovory, July 04, 2011, 10:11:02 AM

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Will she be found guilty?

Guilty!
9 (50%)
Not guilty!
5 (27.8%)
Hung jury!
4 (22.2%)

Total Members Voted: 17

DGuller

I'm not a lawyer, but given what I read about the case, I can see the four likeliest scenarios.  She's guilty of all charges, she's guilty of some lesser charges, she's not guilty of all charges, or there is a mistrial.  I personally cannot see the outcome not being one of those four.

Barrister

Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2011, 04:51:03 PM
I'm not a lawyer, but given what I read about the case, I can see the four likeliest scenarios.  She's guilty of all charges, she's guilty of some lesser charges, she's not guilty of all charges, or there is a mistrial.  I personally cannot see the outcome not being one of those four.

That's some brilliant analysis there chief.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Neil on July 04, 2011, 02:23:01 PM
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DGuller

Quote from: Barrister on July 04, 2011, 04:54:12 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2011, 04:51:03 PM
I'm not a lawyer, but given what I read about the case, I can see the four likeliest scenarios.  She's guilty of all charges, she's guilty of some lesser charges, she's not guilty of all charges, or there is a mistrial.  I personally cannot see the outcome not being one of those four.

That's some brilliant analysis there chief.
:unsure: Why the sarcasm, did I miss some other possible outcome?

Razgovory

Quote from: DGuller on July 04, 2011, 05:07:31 PM

:unsure: Why the sarcasm, did I miss some other possible outcome?

Plead out at the last moment.  Defendant dies.  Defendant kills some of the jury and escapes.  Baby was alive all along, just hidden. Infanticide becomes a "post-natal abortion" and is retroactively made legal.  Discovery of an evil twin.  Apotheosis of the defendant.  Giant ape rampages though Florida.  Real lawyers have to watch out for these types of eventualities.  Well except the ape one.  I made that up, and it's just silly.
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citizen k

Not guilty on manslaughter, guilty of lying to police.

From possible death penalty to time served, isn't our jury system great.



Eddie Teach

Quote from: Razgovory on July 04, 2011, 10:45:55 AM
Ugly too.

If that were true the trial wouldn't have gotten so much coverage.
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DGuller


DGuller

This make me wonder if high profile criminal cases are sort of like WWI:  the defender has a crushing advantage.  It seems like much more often than not, obviously guilty people go free in such cases. 

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the best lawyers in the country are going up against whatever state employees happened to be unlucky enough to be in the jurisdiction of the crime scene.  You can't be sure that the sky is blue beyond a reasonable doubt if you focus on the question or the definition of reasonable doubt intensely enough.

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crazy canuck

If she was "obviously guilty" why wasnt it obvious to the jury?

Stonewall

The prosecution's ultimate problem, and it was identified from the beginning, was in the inability to prove cause of death.  If you can't prove how someone died, how can you prove that someone else killed them?  Prosecution did the best they could have done with a weak case.  They focused on her constant lying and the sideshow that was the chloroform searches and the smell in the trunk.  None of that proved a cause of death.

General consensus here was that jury would convict on a lesser included offense of the Child Abuse charge.  For all the crap that Baez got during that trial, he hit it out of the park by playing the sideshow games and at the end hammering away at the "no causation" angle when it was too late for prosecuctors to do anything about it.

That man is going out right now and gold plating his business cards, as this case was his license to print money.  His new name is  Juan Cochrano.
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Well, if Nancy Grace is unhappy, that's something at least.
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