Pirate bay fruits get year in jail

[Cecil]

First they have to go through the "discount warehouse".

[PDH]

Dyslexics of the world Untie!

I was making a music reference. 

Until you realize how good Johnny Marr was, it is hopeless.

[Martinus]

here's the perps

Ugh. Call the fashion police.

[DisturbedPervert]

Experts believe the ruling could be the first step towards ending illegal downloading

Experts

[Neil]

here's the perps

Ugh. Call the fashion police.

This from the guy who thinks that H&M is the height of fashion?

You're just as bad as they are.

[garbon]

This from the guy who thinks that H&M is the height of fashion?

You're just as bad as they are.

[Grey Fox]

I'm fairly sure that Martinus dresses in that exact way.

[The Brain]

Unfortunately staying in a small basement room and not having any contact whatsoever with girls isn't exactly punishment for those guys.

[vinraith]

Here we go with the "it's not stealing, it's shoplifting" crowd.

steal, v. 1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice

shoplift, v. 1. to steal displayed good from a store

Since no one is taking anything, digital "piracy" is pretty obviously neither. It's the equivalent of running off a tape of a recording, or running off photocopies of a book. The only thing that brings it to anyone's attention is the massive scale on which it is now possible, and the perceived financial loss that is a consequence. 

One can make strong arguments that said loss is substantial and needs to be dealt with criminally, one can make strong arguments that said loss is far less than is perceived, but there's no way to make an argument that the information in question is being taken from the copyright holder, so calling it theft is a misnomer at best and a distortion at worst.

Copyright violation is just that, it's just that instead of the handful of instances that almost everyone is guilty of we're dealing in cases on a vastly greater scale.

[The Brain]

LOL Mr. Defensive. What do you care what the dregs of society are called?

[dps]

Here we go with the "it's not stealing, it's shoplifting" crowd.

steal, v. 1: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice

shoplift, v. 1. to steal displayed good from a store

Since no one is taking anything, digital "piracy" is pretty obviously neither. It's the equivalent of running off a tape of a recording, or running off photocopies of a book. The only thing that brings it to anyone's attention is the massive scale on which it is now possible, and the perceived financial loss that is a consequence. 

One can make strong arguments that said loss is substantial and needs to be dealt with criminally, one can make strong arguments that said loss is far less than is perceived, but there's no way to make an argument that the information in question is being taken from the copyright holder, so calling it theft is a misnomer at best and a distortion at worst.

Copyright violation is just that, it's just that instead of the handful of instances that almost everyone is guilty of we're dealing in cases on a vastly greater scale.

So you're saying that theft of intellectual property isn't theft, that for the term "theft" to apply it has to be tangible property?

[Barrister]

Vinny, theft does not need to involve the physical taking of an object.  All that it requires is to convert an object to one's own possession or use.  It has been found that pledging an object that is not yours as security will constitute theft, even though the object in question is never even touched or moved.

[vinraith]

So you're saying that theft of intellectual property isn't theft, that for the term "theft" to apply it has to be tangible property?

Basically, yes. I"m saying that using the term "theft" for intellectual property is disingenuous (and yes BB, I'm aware that the law disagrees). I'm not saying that illegitimate acquisition of intellectual property shouldn't be a crime (and I'm not saying that it should be), I'm saying that calling it "theft" is a corruption of the meaning of that word. The application of antiquated terminology and antiquated law to this problem is not helping matters.

[Razgovory]

At least the porno version still exists.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

oh yeah. winning lawsuits always stops filesharing. look at Napster, Kazaa. oh wait file sharing just changed and moved on to the point where it's now a mainstream thing. These morons running the Entertainment conglomerates need to worry more about the fact that their business model has been broken for over a decade. Either change with the times or be buried by innovation.