Pirate bay fruits get year in jail

[Iormlund]

Heh, like you need Internet to get stuff for free.

[garbon]

Heh, like you need Internet to get stuff for free.

Oh, I forgot that Spain is like a trip back to the late 80s. 

[Iormlund]

A friend of mine went to the US in the late 80s, on an exchange program. He was told not to be startled by that funny looking device hung on the wall. "You see, it is called a te-le-phone".

[The Minsky Moment]

Unlike physical property, legal protection of intellectual property is a relatively recent phenomenon and one cannot make a similar argument about this protection being "natural" or one of the fundamental rights (again, unlike that of physical property). It's a social convention, based on balancing two conflicting principles - that of fair reward for the author / right owner and that of free dissemination of information.

Civil rights are a relatively recent phenomenon as well - does that mean they aren't fundamental rights?

As you are a continential lawyer, I presume I don't need to explain the difference between natural and customary law - the fact that enforcement of a norm is recent in time doesn't indicate it isn't natural.

All legal norms can be characterized as social conventions that balance conflicting principles - private real property rights balance encouraging investment and validating investment backed expectations versus the appropriation of the commons.  IP rights involve the same considerations but because the titles tend to be of later vintage, the process of creations and the tradeoffs involved are more transparent. 

[The Minsky Moment]

IP is not wholly protected

No form of property is.

[Zanza]

I wished that the media corps would spend as much time and money on creating viable online distribution methods that are easy to use and allow storage of their media as they spend hunting pirates.

I wished there was something as easy to use as Gamersgate, Direct2Drive, even Steam for movies and music.

I found Amazon.de very convenient for downloading MP3s recently.

[DontSayBanana]

No form of property is.

I wasn't saying that any is, and I considered Mart's argument a red herring also; I was just pointing that out to Beeb.

[Syt]

I found Amazon.de very convenient for downloading MP3s recently.

NOT AVAILABLE IN AUSTRIA

Unfortunately the EU has so far failed to reach an agreement about a "common media market".

[garbon]

Europe

[Ape]

Trial might have to be redone completly, one of the judges is a member of an interest organisation.

http://www.thelocal.se/19028/20090423/

[Neil]

Trial might have to be redone completly, one of the judges is a member of an interest organisation.

Oops.

[Razgovory]

Trial might have to be redone completly, one of the judges is a member of an interest organisation.

http://www.thelocal.se/19028/20090423/

:pinchL 

[The Minsky Moment]

What exactly do these organizations do?

For example, I am a member of an IP orgnanization which has a lot of IP holders and their counsel in it, but also includes IP practioners who more commonly represent infringers (such as myself).  I don't think membership in such an organization should force recusal.

[The Brain]

Obviously a judge cannot be a member of an organization that promotes law & order.

[Grey Fox]

What exactly do these organizations do?

For example, I am a member of an IP orgnanization which has a lot of IP holders and their counsel in it, but also includes IP practioners who more commonly represent infringers (such as myself).  I don't think membership in such an organization should force recusal.

If you can't answer that, no one can.