[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Josephus]

Yes, Josephus is basically a political omen.

[viper37]

I don't agree.  See the link above about the BC economy. Yes our economy is growing but not exactly booming.  Plus a lot of people who had been working in Alberta are looking for work elsewhere.  If the infrastructure being planned here is funded we will be able to absorb many of them.  My concern is whether the funding will be provided over the multiple years it will take to construct these projects.

Multiple years, like the Conservatives plan is the best option, otherwise, it leads cities to fund just about anything to get the money, without consideration for the real return on investment.

[crazy canuck]

I don't agree.  See the link above about the BC economy. Yes our economy is growing but not exactly booming.  Plus a lot of people who had been working in Alberta are looking for work elsewhere.  If the infrastructure being planned here is funded we will be able to absorb many of them.  My concern is whether the funding will be provided over the multiple years it will take to construct these projects.

Multiple years, like the Conservatives plan is the best option, otherwise, it leads cities to fund just about anything to get the money, without consideration for the real return on investment.

I agree.  The funding promise by the Conservatives and NDP is a more efficient and effective.  Something I have noted about the Liberal infrastructure spending plan in this thread. 

[Barrister]

There are regional breakdowns contained in the link.  They seem to show a noticeable NDP decline in almost all regions (except BC), Liberals increase in the Atlantic, COnservatives increase in the prairies, and both increase slightly in Ontario.

[crazy canuck]

There are regional breakdowns contained in the link.  They seem to show a noticeable NDP decline in almost all regions (except BC), Liberals increase in the Atlantic, COnservatives increase in the prairies, and both increase slightly in Ontario.

I'd like to see something more like a breakdown of every province and the regions within the bigger provinces.  That way one can get a better sense of who is doing well in seat rich areas.  Getting riding breakdowns would of course be the best.  But we are never going to get that kind of detail in Canada.  Too expensive for the polling firms funded by the media to get that kind of granularity.

[Barrister]

And Trudeau is now on record as supporting that terrorists should keep their Canadian citizenship.

It's a bold stand, to be sure.  But I'm not sure that it's a smart one (unless there are far more terrorists who vote in election than I was expecting).

[crazy canuck]

And Trudeau is now on record as supporting that terrorists should keep their Canadian citizenship.

It's a bold stand, to be sure.  But I'm not sure that it's a smart one (unless there are far more terrorists who vote in election than I was expecting).

Pretty sure he isn't just appealing to just the terrorist vote on this issue. 

[Barrister]

And Trudeau is now on record as supporting that terrorists should keep their Canadian citizenship.

It's a bold stand, to be sure.  But I'm not sure that it's a smart one (unless there are far more terrorists who vote in election than I was expecting).

Pretty sure he isn't just appealing to just the terrorist vote on this issue. 

Then I have to admit I don't understand who he's appealing to on this one.  It seems like such a no-brainer to me.

[crazy canuck]

That is because you are a true believer.

I think there are a lot of people who see the decision of the Minister to remove the citizenship as a one motivated by politics more than good policy.  There is a long tradition that decisions like this should be left to whoever the new Minister will be after the election.  I am not sure what was so urgent that the decision had to be made now rather than after the election.

[Barrister]

That is because you are a true believer.

I think there are a lot of people who see the decision of the Minister to remove the citizenship as a one motivated by politics more than good policy.  There is a long tradition that decisions like this should be left to whoever the new Minister will be after the election.  I am not sure what was so urgent that the decision had to be made now rather than after the election.

I think that's a valid critique, and it's the one Mulcair has made.  It opposes not the concept of removing citizenship from convicted terrorists, but in how it was done.

But that's not what Trudeau had to say.

And I'll give you the quote so that you guys can jot it down and put it in an attack ad somewhere that the Liberal Party believes that terrorists should get to keep their Canadian citizenship, because I do. And I'm willing to take on anyone who disagrees with that.

That sounds like a statement only a terrorist would support.

[crazy canuck]

I should also add I am troubled by the constitutionality of this provision.  Although I am not sure whether it is being challenged in these proceedings.

[Josephus]

Not a wise thing to say in a campaign for sure...although it's a noble statement.

As an immigrant myself, and one who paid some $50 for my citizenship, upon becoming Canadian I was given all the rights and priviledges of citizenship. If I engage in terrorism, I expect to be treated the same way as a natural-born, --or what's the term now-- old-stock, Canadian. Put me in jail for ever, if necessary; but deportation is wrong.

[Grey Fox]

I, uh, um, disagree.

[crazy canuck]

I, uh, um, disagree.

Said like a proud person of old stock

It is interesting to me that the real issue will be lost in the rush to identify the Other.  The easy way for any "terrorist" to get around this provision is to renounce their dual citizenship in the other country. This is all about imposing a penalty on dual citizens only.

[Grey Fox]

I am of old stock.

Generation #13 in the house.