[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

Like is it just really the case the country of Canada cannot remove a few hundred vehicles parked illegally? I find it very hard to believe it's can't versus politicians are afraid to do so.

Well, they can't, but they also won't.  It's not in Canada's habit to storm protesters barricades, anyway.

The Libs did nothing while some First Nations protested about some bullshit traditional leadership rights (that have never existed nor are recognized by courts or anyone else but their own group) and blockaded the railways of Canada, causing major disruption, the Federal government did nothing.  The NDP cheered with the protesters.  When the Mohawks decide to block the Federal bridges around Montreal, the Feds never intervene.  When the students protested all summer long, trashing everything in their path, leftist politicians were taking selfies with them and the provincial Liberal government did nothing of note, aside sending the anti-riot police when it was too late, with minimal action.  When the Occupy movement spent all spring and summer in Montreal downtown, no one did nothing.  When the construction unions set fire to new buildings, blockade streets, or act violent toward other workers, the government does nothing to prevent it, not even attempting to protect the workers when there's an illegal strike.

It's just not in Canada's leftist politicians DNA to strike against protesters.  They let them be and hope they'll tire themselves, eventually.  This is no different, it's more of the same.

[viper37]

I'm guessing the Weston family is really glad right now they sold their IGA shares, among other assets.

[crazy canuck]

What would showing up look like sask?

This is an example of what it might look like

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carney-end-freedom-convoy-ottawa-state-of-emergency/

paywall, so I have not read it. Mark Carney is also apparently positioning himself as the next Liberal leader.

I sure hope he is 

In our capital city, many people have been terrorized for more than a week. Women fleeing abuse have been harassed. Many elderly have been too afraid to venture outside their homes for groceries. Families have been deprived of sleep for days on end by the constant barrage of 100 decibel noise. Control over the city's downtown core, which includes the Parliamentary Precinct, was ceded by the police and taken over by what the chair of the Police Services Board describes as an "insurrection."

Canadians can be forgiven if they thought this would never happen in Ottawa.

The goals of the leadership of the so-called freedom convoy were clear from the start: to remove from power the government that Canadians elected less than six months ago. Their blatant treachery was dismissed as comic, which meant many didn't take them as seriously as they should have. Certainly not our public safety authorities, whose negotiations facilitated the convoy's entry into the heart of our capital and have watched as its dangerous infrastructure has been steadily reinforced – a policy of engagement that has amounted to a reality of appeasement.

On the first weekend, many Canadians who joined the demonstrations undoubtedly had peaceful objectives. Tired as we all are with unprecedented disruptions that we've all endured over the past two years, it's understandable that many would want to come to Ottawa to protest. It's a free country, and everyone should be able to express their opinions free of interference from the state, just as the press should be able to report without fear of harassment or intimidation.

But now in its second week, no one should have any doubt. This is sedition. That's a word I never thought I'd use in Canada. It means "incitement of resistance to or insurrection against lawful authority."

On Sunday, authorities began to draw the line. Declaring a state of emergency was the right thing to do.

From now on, those who are occupying the downtown of our country's capital should be in no doubt. They are no longer simply advocating a different strategy to end COVID-19. They are not patriots. This is not about "restoring freedom" but beginning anarchy. This isn't getting carried away at a rally. It's not a rush of blood to the head. It's deliberate and calculated, and because of that, they must know that from now on, there will be consequences for their actions.

The police had been reluctant to enforce the most basic bylaws. But these "infractions" – the constant blaring of horns at all hours, the harassment of people, the culture of fear – have been making residents' lives hell, will bankrupt our businesses, and if left unchecked, would help achieve the convoy's goal of undermining our democracy and the rule of law.

Those who are still helping to extend this occupation must be identified and punished to the full force of the law.

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Drawing the line means choking off the money that financed this occupation. Again, many Canadians who were amongst the initial donors were likely well meaning. Perhaps they were unaware of the convoy's stated objectives, or – like many in positions of authority in Ottawa – they didn't take them seriously. Perhaps all they wanted was a new COVID-19 policy with fewer restrictions.

But by now anyone sending money to the convoy should be in no doubt: You are funding sedition. Foreign funders of an insurrection interfered in our domestic affairs from the start. Canadian authorities should take every step within the law to identify and thoroughly punish them. The involvement of foreign governments and any officials connected to them should be identified, exposed and addressed.

I know from experience that crises don't end by themselves. You can't spin your way out of failure. You must recognize the scale of the challenge, devise a clear plan and then implement it methodically and deliberately. Your determination to do so can never be in doubt. Then and only then can order be restored. In this case, that means enforcing the law and following the money. Individuals must be held responsible for their lawlessness and those who financed their actions must be dissuaded from ever doing so again.

Our Constitution is based on peace, order and good government. We must live up to this founding principle in order to protect all our freedoms.

[chipwich]

Crush thier livelihoods into a cube.

[crazy canuck]

Yep, if a country cannot control its border, well what is a federal government good for?

You're a closet seperatist, now? 

[Grey Fox]

No Quebec border crossing is blockaded. I wonder why?

Because the far right anti-union leader currently sitting in the position of Prime Minister  has publicly declared well in advance that he will take no bullshit.
Had it been a Liberal Party in power, or god forbid, the PQ, they would be having drinks with the truckers and the FTQ buddies right now.  Or protesting with them, like last time, for the PQ.

You and I share almost nothing politically. What we do share is love for our François.

[Jacob]

Yep, if a country cannot control its border, well what is a federal government good for?

I've seen it argued elsewhere that the provinces are the ones with the power to direct RCMP and police forces (referencing especially section 20(1) of the Emergencies Act).

I've also seen it reported that the Ontario government is deliberately not taking any action, refusing to even meet with the Federal government.

#BREAKING: For 3rd time @fordnation gov't has declined to participate in a meeting this aft of trilateral table set up by the feds to deal with the ongoing blockades in Ontario. A source w/ province telling @CBCNews "it doesn't accomplish anything"#cdnpoli #onpoli

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1491828495084929024

[crazy canuck]

That is all correct.   But the Federal government has clear jurisdiction at the border.  They just choose not to exercise that jurisdiction

[OttoVonBismarck]

Like is it just really the case the country of Canada cannot remove a few hundred vehicles parked illegally? I find it very hard to believe it's can't versus politicians are afraid to do so.

Well, they can't, but they also won't.  It's not in Canada's habit to storm protesters barricades, anyway.

The Libs did nothing while some First Nations protested about some bullshit traditional leadership rights (that have never existed nor are recognized by courts or anyone else but their own group) and blockaded the railways of Canada, causing major disruption, the Federal government did nothing.  The NDP cheered with the protesters.  When the Mohawks decide to block the Federal bridges around Montreal, the Feds never intervene.  When the students protested all summer long, trashing everything in their path, leftist politicians were taking selfies with them and the provincial Liberal government did nothing of note, aside sending the anti-riot police when it was too late, with minimal action.  When the Occupy movement spent all spring and summer in Montreal downtown, no one did nothing.  When the construction unions set fire to new buildings, blockade streets, or act violent toward other workers, the government does nothing to prevent it, not even attempting to protect the workers when there's an illegal strike.

It's just not in Canada's leftist politicians DNA to strike against protesters.  They let them be and hope they'll tire themselves, eventually.  This is no different, it's more of the same.

LAPD (pre-neutered) would have this stuff ended days ago. And a whole lot of truckers would be missing teeth.

[viper37]

No Quebec border crossing is blockaded. I wonder why?

Because the far right anti-union leader currently sitting in the position of Prime Minister  has publicly declared well in advance that he will take no bullshit.
Had it been a Liberal Party in power, or god forbid, the PQ, they would be having drinks with the truckers and the FTQ buddies right now.  Or protesting with them, like last time, for the PQ.

You and I share almost nothing politically. What we do share is love for our François.

Not all hope is lost with you!

[HVC]

LAPD (pre-neutered) would have this stuff ended days ago. And a whole lot of truckers would be missing teeth.

You're forgetting that the protesters aren't black.

[Josephus]

Hearing the Ontario gov't is going to enact emergency measures today.

OPP might be bringing out the batons. We'll see.

[Jacob]

Hearing the Ontario gov't is going to enact emergency measures today.

Good to hear.

OPP might be bringing out the batons. We'll see.

I hope everything is resolved quickly and peacefully... but if not, the convoy and road blockers have been slapping the people of Canada in the face for long enough.

[viper37]

RDI news panels had interesting points, yesterday night.  Basically, the same I've been making here

When the Conservative government wanted to cut international funding for Canadian protesters, NDP and Libs were against this, since it mostly targeted ecological movements.

When some First Nations decided to blockade the railroads of this country, it took 14 days the PM to ask them to leave.  It took only 3 for the truckers' protest.  The Conservatives, meanwhile, wanted to send the army to dislodge the protesters.

Ah, the game of politics

[Grey Fox]

One side is right and the other are where the Nazis hide.