[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Josephus]

To be fair Ford was leading in the polls throughout, including prior to Trump's inauguration.

So was Poilievre. Until he fumbled.

... or alternately, until the Federal Liberals under Trudeau rose to the occasion.

I am not so sure the Liberals would have rebounded if Trudeau had not resigned.  Carney is polling way ahead of PP as the person Canadians trust most to deal with Trump.  That is not true of any other Liberal.

I think he might have. Maybe not as much but there is a Trump bump for the Liberals

[Zoupa]

Carney's gonna need to dumb it down in speeches and interviews if he wants to have a chance in the next election. Dude talks like a professor.

[Valmy]

Pro-Carney voices are going to paint him as an experienced technocratic leader.  Anti-Carney voices are going to paint him as an out-of-touch elitist.

Those seem like two things that are usually true at the same time 

[Sheilbh]

Former investment banker, recruited into Canada's finance department, then Governor of the Bank of Canada during the 2008 financial crises.  Later recruited to  be Governor of the Bank of England and saw the UK through Brexit.

Also the first phase of covid - his term as Governor of the BofE ended the day before the UK's first lockdown.

[Oexmelin]

Poilievre's problem is he's an opposition leader.  He literally can't respond like Ford because Ford leads a government.

I think that's his only mode. Current circumstances would have allowed him to play the part of the head of state. He hasn't. I don't think he can: grievance is his grammar.

[viper37]

Carney's gonna need to dumb it down in speeches and interviews if he wants to have a chance in the next election. Dude talks like a professor.

Yeah.  Politicials need to adopt the AOC and Trump approach.  Address people like they are toddlers or talk like a toddler.  Sure win.  <sigh>

I miss the old times.  Duplessis knew how to talk to people.

[crazy canuck]

To be fair Ford was leading in the polls throughout, including prior to Trump's inauguration.

So was Poilievre. Until he fumbled.

... or alternately, until the Federal Liberals under Trudeau rose to the occasion.

I am not so sure the Liberals would have rebounded if Trudeau had not resigned.  Carney is polling way ahead of PP as the person Canadians trust most to deal with Trump.  That is not true of any other Liberal.

I think he might have. Maybe not as much but there is a Trump bump for the Liberals

Yeah, I think that is correct. PP's Trumpist rhetoric was always going to hurt him after people saw what a Trumpist government really looks like, whether or not it is fair to say that PP would have gone to the same extremes.

[viper37]

3 former B.C. Conservative MLAs, who will sit as Independents, say party has been captured by 'woke liberals'


Goddam Wokes are everywhere!

What are you doing over there!

[Neil]

It's my understanding that the BC Conservative Party is full on Trumpist insane, the kind of people who think that Poilievre is caving to wokeness by not ending all immigration.  The kind of people who would fall for Maxime Bernier's grift.

[Jacob]

It's a mixture of those types, some "Conservative but okay with playing footsie with Trumpsim" and run-of-the-mill Never-Dippers across both Liberal and Conservative values.

Previously the Never-Dippers kept the coalition together, but have lost their grip when they lost power.

So now you have various loons trying to gain power by splintering at opportune times.

[Neil]

I mean, I'm alright with the Trumpist types as long as they consist of like, 10% of the party and have no power within it.  Even the dumbest people you know have votes after all, and they might as well use them for good.  The problem with my line of thinking is that it can be tricky to keep them as a part of the coalition while avoiding giving them anything. 

[Bauer]

The bc conservatives are still defining themselves so let's see in 4 years.  The whole bc liberal name change turned into folding was a bizarre sequence.

The NDP having a more realistic costed platform in the last election was certainly not what I expect...

[Crazy_Ivan80]

Pro-Carney voices are going to paint him as an experienced technocratic leader.  Anti-Carney voices are going to paint him as an out-of-touch elitist.

Those seem like two things that are usually true at the same time 

Currently to be countered with: at least I'm not an unelected ketamine abusing oligarch

(ffing spellchecker)

[crazy canuck]

The bc conservatives are still defining themselves so let's see in 4 years.  The whole bc liberal name change turned into folding was a bizarre sequence.

The NDP having a more realistic costed platform in the last election was certainly not what I expect...

I thought that the coalition types would migrate to the BC Conservatives just like they migrated to the BC Liberals after the Social Credit party imploded.  That still might happen but just like the migration to the BC Liberals, it will take a leadership contest, and a leadership candidate who will attract them.

As Neil observed, the current leadership and membership is unattractive to the core coalition voter.

Viper, what is happening to the BC Conservatives? Something similar to the GOP, except the leader is weak. 

[viper37]

Viper, what is happening to the BC Conservatives? Something similar to the GOP, except the leader is weak. 

Not encouraging...