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Started by Josephus, March 22, 2011, 09:27:34 PM

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HVC

Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:43:47 PMWhat about the negati e externalities of subpar education, misinformed populace and wacky religious people? Because that's how you get Mormons :P

I'm kind of negative on the Mormon faith, but they're pretty big on education.

The "right kind" of education.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:49:48 PMDoes that still count if people are choosing their schools because of the negative externalities rather than dispite them?

Not really sure what you're saying.  Like people who send their kids to charter Jew killing schools?

PRC

Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:40:07 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:35:48 PMI have to admit I expected more outrage at the Danielle Smith-Tucker Carlson meet-up, and not a debate on school vouchers. :huh:

Her being dumb/morally wrong is expected.

Basically this.  It's tone deaf, it's arrogant, it's a mistake and it's a stupid thing to do.  That's Danielle Smith.

Barrister

Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:43:47 PMWhat about the negati e externalities of subpar education, misinformed populace and wacky religious people? Because that's how you get Mormons :P

I'm kind of negative on the Mormon faith, but they're pretty big on education.

The "right kind" of education.

I disagree.

BYU is a well respected university.  It's not Bob Jones University.  Mormon kids are encouraged to get educations at state / secular schools as well.
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

HVC

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 08, 2023, 04:54:10 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:49:48 PMDoes that still count if people are choosing their schools because of the negative externalities rather than dispite them?

Not really sure what you're saying.  Like people who send their kids to charter Jew killing schools?

Not to that extreme, more along the lines of people who send their kids to anti science pro religious (creationism and the like). They send them there for the sole purpose of misinformation (negative externalities). So voting for the "right school" doesn't lower or mitigate negative outcomes, but in fact magnifies them.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

HVC

Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:43:47 PMWhat about the negati e externalities of subpar education, misinformed populace and wacky religious people? Because that's how you get Mormons :P

I'm kind of negative on the Mormon faith, but they're pretty big on education.

The "right kind" of education.

I disagree.

BYU is a well respected university.  It's not Bob Jones University.  Mormon kids are encouraged to get educations at state / secular schools as well.

I acknowledge that I may be biased and misinformed.

Look up soaking scandal at BYU though, it's hilarious.
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:57:38 PMNot to that extreme, more along the lines of people who send their kids to anti science pro religious (creationism and the like). They send them there for the sole purpose of misinformation (negative externalities). So voting for the "right school" doesn't lower or mitigate negative outcomes, but in fact magnifies them.

As I suggested before, I'm not overwhelmed by the positive externalities of education argument.  So I think the Flat Earth High issue revolves more around parental rights/moral hazard than externalities.  It's their kid, can they choose to give him an education that fits him for a life at the car wash?  Most jurisdictions that I'm familiar with require minimum education standards for charters and home schooling and that's hunky dory for me.


HVC

Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.

PRC

Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 04:50:09 PM
Quote from: HVC on November 08, 2023, 04:43:47 PMWhat about the negati e externalities of subpar education, misinformed populace and wacky religious people? Because that's how you get Mormons :P

I'm kind of negative on the Mormon faith, but they're pretty big on education.

The "right kind" of education.

I disagree.

BYU is a well respected university.  It's not Bob Jones University.  Mormon kids are encouraged to get educations at state / secular schools as well.

BYU has a good reputation as a university.  It's also an undeclared Mormon genetic diversity program.  A hook-up site where young men and women from across the Mormon world can meet, solidify their courtships, and ultimately bring fresh genetics back to their respective social communities gene pools.

Barrister

Quote from: PRC on November 08, 2023, 05:34:25 PMBYU has a good reputation as a university.  It's also an undeclared Mormon genetic diversity program.  A hook-up site where young men and women from across the Mormon world can meet, solidify their courtships, and ultimately bring fresh genetics back to their respective social communities gene pools.

Sounds like an ordinary university campus...
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

PRC

Quote from: Barrister on November 08, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
Quote from: PRC on November 08, 2023, 05:34:25 PMBYU has a good reputation as a university.  It's also an undeclared Mormon genetic diversity program.  A hook-up site where young men and women from across the Mormon world can meet, solidify their courtships, and ultimately bring fresh genetics back to their respective social communities gene pools.

Sounds like an ordinary university campus...

Good point!  :D

Barrister

So hey guys - here's the Liberals posting an online attack ad trying to use Poilievre's apple-eating viral video against himself.  When the reporter accuses Poilievre from "taking a page out of Donald Trump's book", and Poilievre responds by saying "Page?  What page?  Show me the page" - they then intercut between Trump and Poilievre using very similar phrases.

https://twitter.com/liberal_party/status/1719085402710007949

Now I'm not the intended audience here.  I found it incredibly disingenuous - if you looked hard enough your could probably do a similar video of Trump and Trudeau himself (although probably not using some of the exact same phrases).

But what do you guys think?  Is this an effective attack?
Posts here are my own private opinions.  I do not speak for my employer.

Admiral Yi


HVC

Well to be fair he did ask for the page, so I guess it's fair to show him the page(s) :P
Being lazy is bad; unless you still get what you want, then it's called "patience".
Hubris must be punished. Severely.