[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

Does their definition of electric include hybrid or only plug in?  Hybrid could be viable.

As for Alberta's energy production, it's pretty much the choice of the province, they resisted any kind of change as hard as they could.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/opinion-alberta-end-coal-power-natural-gas-solar-wind-nuclear-1.6300606

Coal will be gone from our power grid by the end of 2023.

But what further change do you want us to do?  We do not have the hydro potential that a Quebec or BC has.  We're expanding wind and solar (it's up to over 10%), but you still need substantial base-load potential.

So in Alberta that means we're burning natural gas.  Much less emissions than coal - but not zero.

I swear you have this evil bogeyman vision of Alberta in your head that bears little resemblance to the actual location.


And yes I believe plug-in hybrids count.  But if you're in a rural or northern area then really the plug in hybrid just adds extra cost and complexity for a system that you won't meaningfully use.

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

[Barrister]

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

There's not that much surplus hydro capacity left in Canada.

[Admiral Yi]

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

That's pretty much just New England.

[Zoupa]

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

There's not that much surplus hydro capacity left in Canada.

Canada has about 160,000 megawatts of untapped hydro power. Qc alone built up 38 000 MW worth of hydro, and that was in the 1950s. Maybe instead of sending bullshit checks to constituents, subsidizing already very profitable oil & gas companies and not having taxes, Alberta could develop its own clean energy. Just a thought.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/canadas-hydroelectric-potential/

[Grey Fox]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

[HVC]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

Why not both?

[Grey Fox]

No green electricity for Quebec bashers.

[HVC]

What if they take ontario and bc power instead?

Besides discussing equalization doesn't mean quebec bashing

[Barrister]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

How about this deal - we'll build power lines going from Quebec to Alberta, if at the same time (and maybe even using the same right of way) we build pipelines going from Alberta to Quebec.

It's a win-win!

[viper37]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

Why not both?

Can't be Canadian without bitching about the equalization formula you came up with and the official languages act you cam up with and never respect, hey!

[viper37]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

How about this deal - we'll build power lines going from Quebec to Alberta, if at the same time (and maybe even using the same right of way) we build pipelines going from Alberta to Quebec.

It's a win-win!

It's been decided a long time ago that Alberta's oil wasn't for Quebec.  Our refineries can not handle tar sand oil, it's a tad too heavy.  They would require multi-million infrastructure investements, for the one or two left in the province and they'll sure ask for public money to do that.

Do you believe, as a conservative, it would be wise to invest even more public funding in a declining and inefficient industry?

[Tonitrus]

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

There's not that much surplus hydro capacity left in Canada.

Canada has about 160,000 megawatts of untapped hydro power. Qc alone built up 38 000 MW worth of hydro, and that was in the 1950s. Maybe instead of sending bullshit checks to constituents, subsidizing already very profitable oil & gas companies and not having taxes, Alberta could develop its own clean energy. Just a thought.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/canadas-hydroelectric-potential/

And we're

Do as they Americans do: import clean electricity from your neighbours and export finished products.

There's not that much surplus hydro capacity left in Canada.

Canada has about 160,000 megawatts of untapped hydro power. Qc alone built up 38 000 MW worth of hydro, and that was in the 1950s. Maybe instead of sending bullshit checks to constituents, subsidizing already very profitable oil & gas companies and not having taxes, Alberta could develop its own clean energy. Just a thought.

https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/canadas-hydroelectric-potential/

And we're slowly pulling down our own hydro over...perhaps counter-intuitively if not counter-factually...environmental concerns.

Is Canada not concerned about salmon runs? 

[Grey Fox]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

How about this deal - we'll build power lines going from Quebec to Alberta, if at the same time (and maybe even using the same right of way) we build pipelines going from Alberta to Quebec.

It's a win-win!

No. Tar sands oil should be phased out as quickly as possible. Building more ways to export it outside the province is a problem not a solution.

[Josquius]

Or take a leadership stance and work to develop a way for Quebec hydro to reach them. Instead of crying about equalization.

How about this deal - we'll build power lines going from Quebec to Alberta, if at the same time (and maybe even using the same right of way) we build pipelines going from Alberta to Quebec.

It's a win-win!

No. Tar sands oil should be phased out as quickly as possible. Building more ways to export it outside the province is a problem not a solution.

Oil shoukd be fazed out ASAP but it isn't completely going away for a decade or two and in the meantime surely domestic oil beats imported?

[Admiral Yi]

Oil shoukd be fazed out ASAP but it isn't completely going away for a decade or two and in the meantime surely domestic oil beats imported?

Not necessarily from a climate change perspective.  Pulling up tar sand emits more carbon than drilling for normal stuff.