TV/Movies Megathread

[celedhring]

End of the movie. [spoiler]Who are the ones that will rebuild society in a better way? Max is seen leaving, the Warboy has died. It's the women the ones who will do it.[/spoiler]

More specifically, it will likely be Furiosa, with the help of the surviving wives and granny Klan. But that's just because Max is a wanderer, not a builder. I don't see that as a conclusion that women are "meant" to be builders, any more than it is a conclusion than men are "meant" to be wandering heroes, or to die in battle. It is, in fact, simply the luck of the draw.

This is a movie. There's no such thing as luck of the draw, the authors chose to end it in that particular way, and they did it for a reason. And my interpretation is that they chose that ending to underline the role of women as builders, while Max shows that men can be redeemed, but ultimately their place is not to build.

They could have very easily put Nux in the ending, and show how men can build a better world together with women. But the authors very deliberately chose to kill him instead right before the end.

[crazy canuck]

End of the movie. [spoiler]Who are the ones that will rebuild society in a better way? Max is seen leaving, the Warboy has died. It's the women the ones who will do it.[/spoiler]

More specifically, it will likely be Furiosa, with the help of the surviving wives and granny Klan. But that's just because Max is a wanderer, not a builder. I don't see that as a conclusion that women are "meant" to be builders, any more than it is a conclusion than men are "meant" to be wandering heroes, or to die in battle. It is, in fact, simply the luck of the draw.

This is a movie. There's no such thing as luck of the draw, the authors chose to end it in that particular way, and they did it for a reason. And my interpretation is that they chose that ending to underline the role of women as builders, while Max shows that men can be redeemed, but ultimately their place is not to build.

They could have very easily put Nux in the ending, and show how men can build a better world together with women. But the authors very deliberately chose to kill him instead right before the end.

What about the hundreds of warboys who lifted them up?  Isnt that the best representation of both males and females being redeemed and starting to build a new society together?

[celedhring]

End of the movie. [spoiler]Who are the ones that will rebuild society in a better way? Max is seen leaving, the Warboy has died. It's the women the ones who will do it.[/spoiler]

More specifically, it will likely be Furiosa, with the help of the surviving wives and granny Klan. But that's just because Max is a wanderer, not a builder. I don't see that as a conclusion that women are "meant" to be builders, any more than it is a conclusion than men are "meant" to be wandering heroes, or to die in battle. It is, in fact, simply the luck of the draw.

This is a movie. There's no such thing as luck of the draw, the authors chose to end it in that particular way, and they did it for a reason. And my interpretation is that they chose that ending to underline the role of women as builders, while Max shows that men can be redeemed, but ultimately their place is not to build.

They could have very easily put Nux in the ending, and show how men can build a better world together with women. But the authors very deliberately chose to kill him instead right before the end.

What about the hundreds of warboys who lifted them up?  Isnt that the best representation of both males and females being redeemed and starting to build a new society together?

The women are the ones that will lead. I'm not saying that men will be banished from society, just that women will take the reins, and everything will be better.

The way they are hoisted to a position of supremacy with the lifting platform at the end is a pretty graphical representation of that.

[crazy canuck]

The women are the ones that will lead.

If you say so, but that assertion doesn't necessarily follow from the way the movie ended.

[celedhring]

Again, I point you to the symbolism of the platform taking them to the position previously occupied by Immortan Joe and his clique. Good movies aren't casual; they do and show things for a reason. Mad Max Fury Road is a good movie.

[crazy canuck]

Again, I point you to the symbolism of the platform. Good movies aren't casual; they do and show things for a reason. Mad Max Fury Road is a good movie.

Yes, and it is symbolic that they are being raised up by the warboys to join them.

[Malthus]

End of the movie. [spoiler]Who are the ones that will rebuild society in a better way? Max is seen leaving, the Warboy has died. It's the women the ones who will do it.[/spoiler]

More specifically, it will likely be Furiosa, with the help of the surviving wives and granny Klan. But that's just because Max is a wanderer, not a builder. I don't see that as a conclusion that women are "meant" to be builders, any more than it is a conclusion than men are "meant" to be wandering heroes, or to die in battle. It is, in fact, simply the luck of the draw.

This is a movie. There's no such thing as luck of the draw, the authors chose to end it in that particular way, and they did it for a reason. And my interpretation is that they chose that ending to underline the role of women as builders, while Max shows that men can be redeemed, but ultimately their place is not to build.

They could have very easily put Nux in the ending, and show how men can build a better world together with women. But the authors very deliberately chose to kill him instead right before the end.

Would you interpret classic Westerns in the same way? Because having the hero ride off into the sunset after the big battle (rather than stick around and rebuild cow-town) is a classic Western trope.

My take-away was that the ending of Mad Max was a nod to that, and had nothing to do with the notion men aren't fit to be builders.

[Malthus]

As in: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RidingIntoTheSunset

[celedhring]

Again, I point you to the symbolism of the platform. Good movies aren't casual; they do and show things for a reason. Mad Max Fury Road is a good movie.

Yes, and it is symbolic that they are being raised up by the warboys to join them.

As rulers. One of the last frames of the film is the women unleashing the water on the population, just as Immortan Joe did.

[celedhring]

End of the movie. [spoiler]Who are the ones that will rebuild society in a better way? Max is seen leaving, the Warboy has died. It's the women the ones who will do it.[/spoiler]

More specifically, it will likely be Furiosa, with the help of the surviving wives and granny Klan. But that's just because Max is a wanderer, not a builder. I don't see that as a conclusion that women are "meant" to be builders, any more than it is a conclusion than men are "meant" to be wandering heroes, or to die in battle. It is, in fact, simply the luck of the draw.

This is a movie. There's no such thing as luck of the draw, the authors chose to end it in that particular way, and they did it for a reason. And my interpretation is that they chose that ending to underline the role of women as builders, while Max shows that men can be redeemed, but ultimately their place is not to build.

They could have very easily put Nux in the ending, and show how men can build a better world together with women. But the authors very deliberately chose to kill him instead right before the end.

Would you interpret classic Westerns in the same way? Because having the hero ride off into the sunset after the big battle (rather than stick around and rebuild cow-town) is a classic Western trope.

My take-away was that the ending of Mad Max was a nod to that, and had nothing to do with the notion men aren't fit to be builders.

Absolutely, the main trope of the stock western character is that he isn't a builder; he'll help those who can build and then disappear. The Magnificent Seven, The Pale Rider, etc...are always stories about men of violence helping men of peace against other men of violence. Ultimately the men of peace are the only ones who can build a society.

See The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance for a pretty conscious study on that trope.

[crazy canuck]

Again, I point you to the symbolism of the platform. Good movies aren't casual; they do and show things for a reason. Mad Max Fury Road is a good movie.

Yes, and it is symbolic that they are being raised up by the warboys to join them.

As rulers. One of the last frames of the film is the women unleashing the water on the population, just as Immortan Joe did.

With a bunch of the warboys standing around them.  They were all in on it together.

Your position seems to be that if a woman does something it must be a feminist message.

[Malthus]

Absolutely, the main trope of the stock western character is that he isn't a builder; he'll help those who can build and then disappear. See The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance for a study on that.

Sure. We are on the same page on that.

Where we differ, is your conclusion that the fact that the hero isn't a builder means the movie-maker thinks men as a gender can't be builders.

[celedhring]

Again, I point you to the symbolism of the platform. Good movies aren't casual; they do and show things for a reason. Mad Max Fury Road is a good movie.

Yes, and it is symbolic that they are being raised up by the warboys to join them.

As rulers. One of the last frames of the film is the women unleashing the water on the population, just as Immortan Joe did.

With a bunch of the warboys standing around them.  They were all in on it together.

Your position seems to be that if a woman does something it must be a feminist message.

No, my position is that if a good filmmaker chooses a character to do something and not another, there's always reason for that. It may not happen with lesser movies, but Mad Max is an awfully meditated film.

[celedhring]

Absolutely, the main trope of the stock western character is that he isn't a builder; he'll help those who can build and then disappear. See The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance for a study on that.

Sure. We are on the same page on that.

Where we differ, is your conclusion that the fact that the hero isn't a builder means the movie-maker thinks men as a gender can't be builders.

We'll have to agree to disagree here then. I don't think I can say much else to try to convince you.

[crazy canuck]

No, my position is that if a good filmmaker chooses a character to do something and not another, there's always reason for that. It may not happen with lesser movies, but Mad Max is an awfully meditated film.

It seemed sensible to demonstrate the overthrow of the old regime to have a person who was literally milked to provide nourishment to open up the water.  There is nothing in that scene to suggest that somehow she had transformed herself from a producer of milk to someone who would lead all the people.   The scene is much more consistent with the theme that the old regime had been overturned completely and that everyone who had been under the control of the old regime (including the hundreds of warboys) were part of the revolution.