TV/Movies Megathread

[The Brain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I'm having trouble dealing with how horrifying this is. I'm just really glad all of these people will die horribly.

I'm not clicking that. Is it about Benghazi?

[Norgy]

I take it that people recommend it, then? Sounds like an interesting film.

It's excellent, better acting than the only other treatment on the topic, an Austrian made-for-TV job from 1984, "Decision at Wansee" or something;  which was based solely on the very sparse surviving notes of the meeting.  Talk about creepy, if you didn't know what the subject matter actually was, you'd thing it was over widgets.  That version would be tough to dig up, I had to find it in Loyola's A/V library.

There's also Robert Harris' novel "Fatherland" dealing with the subject matter. One of the best crime/mystery novels written, but a really poor movie adaption with Rutger Hauer.

The Wannsee conference strikes me as the lowpoint of humanity, with every sense of right and wrong gone.

[Queequeg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I'm having trouble dealing with how horrifying this is. I'm just really glad all of these people will die horribly.

I'm not clicking that. Is it about Benghazi?

It's Conspiracy.

[Ed Anger]

David Warner is best Heydrich.

[Ideologue]

Got The Lego Movie in the mail today and also picked up Grand Budapest Hotel.

[Sheilbh]

There's also Robert Harris' novel "Fatherland" dealing with the subject matter. One of the best crime/mystery novels written, but a really poor movie adaption with Rutger Hauer.

The continually poor stream of Robert Harris' adaptations makes me sad

On Conspiracy, Branagh is great, but it's an outstanding ensemble performance.

[Viking]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I'm having trouble dealing with how horrifying this is. I'm just really glad all of these people will die horribly.

I'm not clicking that. Is it about Benghazi?

It's Conspiracy.

The thing about that movie is that it presents all the attendees as such genial normal people that I keep hoping that one of the realizes what he is saying and becomes physically sick. Seriously Heydrich seems like a nice guy and a good manager and conference leader. If he hadn't been a raving racist murderous sociopath he probably would have made a good boss.

[The Brain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I'm having trouble dealing with how horrifying this is. I'm just really glad all of these people will die horribly.

I'm not clicking that. Is it about Benghazi?

It's Conspiracy.

The thing about that movie is that it presents all the attendees as such genial normal people that I keep hoping that one of the realizes what he is saying and becomes physically sick. Seriously Heydrich seems like a nice guy and a good manager and conference leader. If he hadn't been a raving racist murderous sociopath he probably would have made a good boss.

I remember a TV documentary where someone who knew Heydrich said that he was very pleasant at dinner parties. The interviewer asked how s/he could defend Heydrich. I was like "hmmmm interviewer, if you think that being pleasant is a defense for mass murder maybe you have a slight problem".

[Viking]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIctGbAZEQ

I'm having trouble dealing with how horrifying this is. I'm just really glad all of these people will die horribly.

I'm not clicking that. Is it about Benghazi?

It's Conspiracy.

The thing about that movie is that it presents all the attendees as such genial normal people that I keep hoping that one of the realizes what he is saying and becomes physically sick. Seriously Heydrich seems like a nice guy and a good manager and conference leader. If he hadn't been a raving racist murderous sociopath he probably would have made a good boss.

I remember a TV documentary where someone who knew Heydrich said that he was very pleasant at dinner parties. The interviewer asked how s/he could defend Heydrich. I was like "hmmmm interviewer, if you think that being pleasant is a defense for mass murder maybe you have a slight problem".

Thats sign of the lack of nuance we find generally in modern public discourse. Basically everything becomes ad-hominem. We are ignoring the fact that monsters can be charming, intelligent and make a positive contribution in other fields. We do have charming monsters by they are all Vampires and Cannibal Doctors. I think it is important to remember how appealing and good fascim seemed at the time. It took ideological opponents and unique snowflakes like Churchill to see how evil it was. Fascims was all about freeing the country from external oppression finding dignity in community and self determination. It was all about directing and mobilizing the collective will that squabbling democracies could not and socialist dictatorships could only do with force.

Every time I see populists politicians in Norway (both on the right and left) say stuff like "How can X happen in the worlds richest country?" or "If I get 4 years in power I will resolve issue X." As if the only true obstacle to these real problems was the unwillingness to act (solution Führerprinzipp) or sabotage by some group (solution die Endlösung des Judenproblemes in Europa). This is a bit related to the Viking version of O'Sullivan's Law (where radial and utopian groups becoming more extremist as time passes and/or after they have achieved their initial objectives), where these groups NEVER solve the problems simply because their diagnosis is wrong. Changing the diagnosis means re-evaluating the central organizing principle in your life so finding latter day epicyclical excuses becomes the main activity.

TLDR; Monster are real, they live amongst us and they sound like reasonable and nice people with legitimate objectives.

[garbon]

You monster!

[FunkMonk]

Languish is full of monsters, unfortunately.

[Ideologue]

What's so monstrous about imposing the collective will by force?

[Razgovory]

What made it creepy was the whole policy approach of the conference, how the mass extermination of people was elevated (lowered?) to arguments on legality and logistics. Wansee is fascinating that way.

That movie creeped me out.

[Viking]

What's so monstrous about imposing the collective will by force?

When it is done for radical utopian reasons it results in mass murder.

[crazy canuck]

What's so monstrous about imposing the collective will by force?

Because the small group who make it their job to determine the will of the collective always get it wrong.