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grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 02, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 01, 2018, 09:55:00 AM
And yet, that is not what happened in the books or the show when based on the books.  :hmm:

The book series is finished?  :huh:


Unfortunately, no. If it had been the show would have had a better script.

Duh!  Plus, Martin would likely have written some of the scripts.  Unfortunately, Martin cannot do what the producers cannot avoid:  start to close storylines and begin the story's resolution.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: celedhring on June 02, 2018, 04:18:58 AM
Interesting... I admit that I haven't watched it since it first came out and memories are bit hazy about how all the gay stuff played out. What makes it dated/wrong?

I guess the oddest part is that a man in his 30s would still be closeted.  And the added pressure generated by being a deacon seems pretty fabricated.

Josephus

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 02, 2018, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: celedhring on June 02, 2018, 04:18:58 AM
Interesting... I admit that I haven't watched it since it first came out and memories are bit hazy about how all the gay stuff played out. What makes it dated/wrong?

I guess the oddest part is that a man in his 30s would still be closeted.  And the added pressure generated by being a deacon seems pretty fabricated.

Is it that unusual? remember this is what--10-15 years ago? He's from a Conservative household, in a conservative industry. I didn't find it too unusual. the deacon part was odd, yes, but not the closeted part.
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garbon

My memories are vague but from what I can recall I felt his whole handle on his sexuality felt dated at the time (well I was watching '08 after it had already been off the air a few years).
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The Woman in Black. Daniel Radcliffe vs a haunted house. I liked it. It could be argued that they use more environment than story but I think it works in this case. I like Radcliffe, he seems like a great guy.
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Josephus on June 03, 2018, 07:41:28 AM
Is it that unusual? remember this is what--10-15 years ago? He's from a Conservative household, in a conservative industry. I didn't find it too unusual. the deacon part was odd, yes, but not the closeted part.

They're in LA, not Souix Falls.

crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on June 02, 2018, 02:09:28 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 02, 2018, 09:49:15 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2018, 09:50:29 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 01, 2018, 09:55:00 AM
And yet, that is not what happened in the books or the show when based on the books.  :hmm:

The book series is finished?  :huh:


Unfortunately, no. If it had been the show would have had a better script.

Duh!  Plus, Martin would likely have written some of the scripts. 

Why do you think Martin would have written the scripts - given the falling out he had with the show?

grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
Why do you think Martin would have written the scripts - given the falling out he had with the show?

Because the show would have followed the books, and he has a history of being willing to write scripts for the show.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on June 04, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2018, 09:32:34 AM
Why do you think Martin would have written the scripts - given the falling out he had with the show?

Because the show would have followed the books, and he has a history of being willing to write scripts for the show.

The show diverged from the books in significant ways in season 5.  Not coincidentally Martin did not write a script for seasons 5, 6 or 7.  so I am not sure why you think he would change his mind and come back to write a script for something that had gone off in its own direction.

grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2018, 12:15:07 PM
The show diverged from the books in significant ways in season 5.  Not coincidentally Martin did not write a script for seasons 5, 6 or 7.  so I am not sure why you think he would change his mind and come back to write a script for something that had gone off in its own direction.

The show went beyond the books in season 5.  Had the books been written, that wouldn't have happened.  I am not sure why you think he wouldn't continue to write if the series continued to follow the books.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: grumbler on June 04, 2018, 12:24:59 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2018, 12:15:07 PM
The show diverged from the books in significant ways in season 5.  Not coincidentally Martin did not write a script for seasons 5, 6 or 7.  so I am not sure why you think he would change his mind and come back to write a script for something that had gone off in its own direction.

The show went beyond the books in season 5.  Had the books been written, that wouldn't have happened.

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11B4V

The Expanse is doing an OK job of tracking.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: 11B4V on June 04, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
The Expanse is doing an OK job of tracking.

Agreed.  That has become my favourite.

grumbler

Quote from: crazy canuck on June 04, 2018, 04:05:50 PM
You are past hope

Ah, the ad hom when you've run out of intellectual arguments.  How surprising and out of character.   :rolleyes:
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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grumbler

Quote from: 11B4V on June 04, 2018, 06:55:14 PM
The Expanse is doing an OK job of tracking.

Just started the books.  Well-written, but depressing.  Kinda like another series I can think of.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

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