Congressman to Obama: Push immigration or I’ll tell Latino voters to stay home

[Razgovory]

I don't see Obama as having deeply held views on immigration reform. 

The hell he doesn't.  He & other Dems see future Democrat voters when they look at illegal immigrants.  That's not to say he isn't pragmatic enough to try to placate the unions.

Rush tell you that?

[Darth Wagtaros]

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"You went from a humanizing definition of the community to a criminalizing definition of the community," Gutierrez said."

But they are criminals.

If you believe a law is unjust, do you call those who break it criminals or victims?

I'd say that that is a ridiculous argument to make and the people who make comparisons to 'illegal immigrant' and 'nigger' are the scum of the earth.

Go tell someone who's spent years trying to become a legal resident or citizen that some asshole who is breaking the law to provide some other asshole with easily exploited cheap labor is a victim.

[Faeelin]

I don't see Obama as having deeply held views on immigration reform. 

The hell he doesn't.  He & other Dems see future Democrat voters when they look at illegal immigrants.  That's not to say he isn't pragmatic enough to try to placate the unions.

I'm curious. Since the Republicans have yet to propose a plan to ship them across the border, how do they plan on dealing with millions of people who are here illegally yet playing a role in our economy? Ignore it until it goes away?

[Darth Wagtaros]

I don't see Obama as having deeply held views on immigration reform. 

The hell he doesn't.  He & other Dems see future Democrat voters when they look at illegal immigrants.  That's not to say he isn't pragmatic enough to try to placate the unions.

I'm curious. Since the Republicans have yet to propose a plan to ship them across the border, how do they plan on dealing with millions of people who are here illegally yet playing a role in our economy? Ignore it until it goes away?

They'll employ them themselves as cut rate labor.  The current situation is fine with a lot of people. They get cheap workers who have no alternatives if they get fucked over. 

[Razgovory]

Reagan also saw future democratic voters when he gave illegals amnesty back in the 1980's.

[derspiess]

I'm curious. Since the Republicans have yet to propose a plan to ship them across the border, how do they plan on dealing with millions of people who are here illegally yet playing a role in our economy? Ignore it until it goes away?

Don't expect me to defend "the Republicans" on this.  They are hardly unified in their opinion or approach, and I'm sure there are plenty who are quietly satisfied with the status quo.

Personally, I favor some sort of documented guest worker program and heavily increased border enforcement.  It's not practical to try to deport all illegals en masse, but some of them need to leave.

I actually used to be more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants, but the rallies in 2006 with all the Mexican flags and demands for full citizenship helped push me the opposite way. 

[derspiess]

Reagan also saw future democratic voters when he gave illegals amnesty back in the 1980's.

Not that that's relevant, but everyone makes mistakes.

[Faeelin]

I actually used to be more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants, but the rallies in 2006 with all the Mexican flags and demands for full citizenship helped push me the opposite way.

Why are Mexican flags offensive?

[Crazy_Ivan80]

yes really. Staying silent is agreeing with what happens.

Nope.

I understand that the concept is a bit hard to grasp for you but: yes.

[jimmy olsen]

I actually used to be more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants, but the rallies in 2006 with all the Mexican flags and demands for full citizenship helped push me the opposite way.

Why are Mexican flags offensive?

If they're demanding full citizenship they should be waving American Flags.

[Faeelin]

Why are Mexican flags offensive?

If they're demanding full citizenship they should be waving American Flags.

Because Americans never, ever, wave flags of other countries.

[Eddie Teach]

When associated with a demand for citizenship, it's definitely sending the wrong message.

[grumbler]

When associated with a demand for citizenship, it's definitely sending the wrong message.

Face it, the people whose deeply held beliefs sway like trees in every wind will be swayed by the display of flags, but they will be swayed by pretty near anything, so who cares?

[Fate]

I actually used to be more sympathetic towards illegal immigrants, but the rallies in 2006 with all the Mexican flags and demands for full citizenship helped push me the opposite way.

Why are Mexican flags offensive?

If they were true Americans they'd be waving Confederate Flags.

[derspiess]

Why are Mexican flags offensive?

They're not.  But they were a clear sign that those demanding citizenship had little if any intention of assimilating and considering themselves Americans.  And it made me realize that the illegals weren't just up here to find work & make some money to send home-- they (at least the ones protesting) apparently feel entitled to stay and become citizens. 

And I know within a couple days the Mexican flags were suddenly replaced with U.S. flags, but the cat was already out of the bag.  Screw 'em-- if they are so proud of Mexico, let them go back.