England - the least patriotic country in Europe

Started by Palisadoes, April 20, 2010, 05:11:07 PM

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Barrister

#15
April 20, 2010, 05:48:16 PM
Agreed that Rememberance Day is NOT a patriotic holiday.  You wear poppies, not flags, etc.
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Palisadoes

#16
April 20, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
From the article:

QuoteMOST PATRIOTIC COUNTRIES IN EUROPE (level of patriotism marked out of 10)
Netherlands - 7.18
Scotland - 7.1
Wales - 7.06
Italy - 7.01
Ireland - 6.72
Spain - 6.57
France - 6.44
Germany - 5.81
England - 5.80

Why are the Dutch top? What do they have to be proud about?

Sheilbh

#17
April 20, 2010, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 20, 2010, 05:42:50 PM
I wouldn't list May Day as being close to a National Day though. It's just like any other non-Christian origin bank holiday. If anything the closest England gets to a national day such as Burns Night or St. Patricks Day is the Notting Hill Carnival - and that's limited to one small area of London.
May Day's the closest I can think to something that was, historically, celebrated throughout the country though it wasn't an affirmation of nationhood, it was like all English holidays, largely an excuse for drinking so far as I can tell.
Let's bomb Russia!

Agelastus

#18
April 20, 2010, 06:03:54 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 20, 2010, 05:51:55 PM
May Day's the closest I can think to something that was, historically, celebrated throughout the country though it wasn't an affirmation of nationhood, it was like all English holidays, largely an excuse for drinking so far as I can tell.

:cheers:

As a holiday should be.

All the fuss about binge drinking over the last few months as if it was something new in British culture shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of history.
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The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Viking

#19
April 20, 2010, 06:10:54 PM
I blame Nick Griffin

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Agelastus

#20
April 20, 2010, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: Palisadoes on April 20, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
From the article:

QuoteMOST PATRIOTIC COUNTRIES IN EUROPE (level of patriotism marked out of 10)
Netherlands - 7.18
Scotland - 7.1
Wales - 7.06
Italy - 7.01
Ireland - 6.72
Spain - 6.57
France - 6.44
Germany - 5.81
England - 5.80

Why are the Dutch top? What do they have to be proud about?

They have to shout loudly because they have Germany to the east and France to the south (Belgium doesn't count.)

It's like Scotland and Wales shouting loudly because of "big, bad, England".
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Razgovory

#21
April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Why is St. George the patron saint of England anyway?  He wasn't English, they aren't Catholic, and dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Josquius

#22
April 20, 2010, 06:30:33 PM Last Edit: April 20, 2010, 06:32:05 PM by Tyr
Patriotism is for inferior countries to try and cover up for their suckyness.

I'm British. I'm Bernician. I'm European. The only time I'm ever English is in sports.

QuoteWhy is St. George the patron saint of England anyway?  He wasn't English, they aren't Catholic, and dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.

It should be St.Cuthbert <_<

I think England has St.George purely from when English sailors use to fly the Genoese flag in the Mediteranian for protection.
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Agelastus

#23
April 20, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Why is St. George the patron saint of England anyway?  He wasn't English, they aren't Catholic, and dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.

I believe the standard answer involves the Crusades, Edward III and Shakespeare.

Grumbler, of course, probably feels that this is all new-fangled nonsense. When he was a lad, Saint Edmund was good enough for any Englishman.
"Come grow old with me
The Best is yet to be
The last of life for which the first was made."

Caliga

#24
April 20, 2010, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.
Well of course they're not anymore.  Thanks, St. George!  :bowler:
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Razgovory

#25
April 20, 2010, 06:42:48 PM
Quote from: Caliga on April 20, 2010, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.
Well of course they're not anymore.  Thanks, St. George!  :bowler:

They probably left when St. Patrick banished the Snakes from Ireland.  Typical English, taking credit for the work of an Irishmen.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Viking

#26
April 20, 2010, 06:45:32 PM Last Edit: April 20, 2010, 06:50:02 PM by Viking
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Why is St. George the patron saint of England anyway?  He wasn't English, they aren't Catholic, and dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.

St. George is the (a) patron saint of soldiers, so he was the favorite saint of many of the Norman conquerors of England. He was a knight that killed a dragon and then got tortured to death for his faith. He's a knight superstar.

If I remember the dragon story, then it happens in Egypt. So I'm guessing he killed a nile crocodile with a taste for ape flesh without the usual hairballs. 
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Razgovory

#27
April 20, 2010, 06:51:47 PM
It happened in Palestine.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Neil

#28
April 20, 2010, 06:56:11 PM
Quote from: Agelastus on April 20, 2010, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 20, 2010, 06:22:26 PM
Why is St. George the patron saint of England anyway?  He wasn't English, they aren't Catholic, and dragons don't seem to be a severe problem in England.

I believe the standard answer involves the Crusades, Edward III and Shakespeare.

Grumbler, of course, probably feels that this is all new-fangled nonsense. When he was a lad, Saint Edmund was good enough for any Englishman.
When grumbler was a lad, England was covered by glaciers and uninhabitable tundra.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

garbon

#29
April 20, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
And yet most of the top threads right now are about England...
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